Roy I do it to keep the Ohio inspectors informed of misinformation.
Nothing more.
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I think I’ll flag all his post…
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He is a Non-Member Guest and should be stopped from giving out false information…
I hope he gets banned.
Everyone Flag him.
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Thanks for the update, Bill.
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If we ignore this bug perhaps it will go away…
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And Silence
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I never asked to have my posts restored. NACHI did that on their own.
My posts are meant to inform Ohio inspectors about what is going on in Ohio.
NACHI seems to believe that open discussions are allowed. TY NACHI.
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Doesn’t say ‘cite code’, or ‘citing code’.
Ohio has a different set of rules than other parts of the country. If you object to these rules get the law changed.
If a building department wants to inspect electrical installations, they have to hire or contract with an electrical inspector.
Several of us provide this service to both the government and the public. So, I think that after 17 years (certified) I should know my profession. Ohio doesn’t allow you to take 80 hours of training and inspect the inside of a panel.
(1) Has been a journeyman electrician or equivalent for four years, two years of which were as an electrician foreman, and has had two years experience as a building inspector trainee of electrical systems;
(2) Has been a journeyman electrician or equivalent for four years and has had three years experience as a building inspector trainee of electrical systems;
(3) Has had four years experience as a building inspector trainee of electrical systems;
(4) Has been a journeyman electrician or equivalent for six years;
(5) Is a graduate electrical engineer and registered by the state of Ohio.
This has been Ohio law for 49 years.
But you have never been a Home Inspector and you certainly aren’t qualified to inform home inspector’s of what their job is or to impose regulatory limitations. I’ll also submit that you have presented nothing that qualifies you to make public interpretations of the law, unless you are perhaps hiding a J.D. in your back pocket. Seems you are practicing something you are neither qualified or licensed to do.
Where in Ohio law does it state that a home inspector cannot remove the panel cover as you represent on your website? I’ll take a citation.
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Chuck
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I have been performing Home Inspections since 1998.
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When I first read about having to be certified to perform electrical inspections I went and got certified - 2002.
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Since Ohio had no Home Inspector License, I decided to show my qualifications by becoming certified as a Residential Building Official. On the very first day that they were issued in 2006. Below is the matrix of what I can do.
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After Ohio starting inspecting manufactured home sets. I got that License as an Inspector also - 2007
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I have attended 5 mandatory courses on NEC updates. 2005, 2008, 2011, 2014 & 2017 NEC.
I could go on but I am not here to toot my own horn. I simply am explaining that the interior of an electrical panel is not readily accessible. Yes, that is a legal term here in Ohio and I am allowed to explain it since I am an ESI. The state says that I am qualified to teach the NEC. I do contract inspections for the state, areas with no AHJ.
Once I had to inspect a manufactured home electrical hook up even thought I was being used as an office on state property, Ohio Dept. of Transportation, because of how Ohio law reads. Electrical Inspectors working for the state could no inspect it, even thought they are qualified, because of how RC 4871 reads.
Citations:
RC 4764.01
RC 3783.06
OHI SOP adopted 5 Sept. 2019
Matrix - While I only needed to pass three of these tested I have passed all 4.
Bullshit !
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Could have fooled me on the home inspection experience, who certified you? You’re not a NACHI member. I’m still not convinced you qualify as a home inspector except that you called yourself one.
The only evidence I could find was a single review, which hardly substantiates your qualification.
You appear to command the same respect of your clients as you do the home inspectors here.
Your citations apply to persons performing “Electrical Inspections” which in the Ohio code is specific to code compliance. You should know that home inspection does not fall under that definition RC3783.
As used in sections 3783.01 to 3783.08, inclusive, of the Revised Code:
(A) “Electrical safety inspector” means a person who is certified as provided in Chapter 3783. of the Revised Code.
(B) The “practice of electrical inspection” includes any ascertainment of compliance with the Ohio building code, or the electrical code of a political subdivision of this state by a person, who, for compensation, inspects the construction and installation of electrical conductors, fittings, devices, and fixtures for light, heat or power services equipment, or the installation, alteration, replacement, maintenance, or repair of any electrical wiring and equipment that is subject to any of the aforementioned codes.
(C) “Ohio building code” means the rules and regulations adopted by the board of building standards under Chapter 3781. of the Revised Code.
(D) “Board of building standards” or “board” means the board established by section 3781.07 of the Revised Code.
The attachment that you provided applies to “RESIDENTIAL BUILDING DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL”, which again does not include home inspection.
RC 4764.01 Definitions includes the definition for “home inspection” and “readily accessible”. Neither of these definitions, contrary to your claims, precludes an inspector from opening a panel cover to perform a home inspection (a home inspection is not an electrical safety inspection).
(C) “Home inspection” means the process by which a home inspector conducts a visual examination of the readily accessible components of a residential building for a client. “Home inspection” does not include pest inspections; environmental testing; inspection of any property or structure conducted by an employee or representative of an insurer licensed to transact business in this state under Title XXXIX of the Revised Code for purposes related to the business of insurance; or determination of compliance with applicable statutes, rules, resolutions, or ordinances, including, without limitation, building, zoning, or historic codes.
(G) “Readily accessible” means available for visual inspection without requiring a person to move or dismantle personal property, take destructive measures, or take any other action that will involve risk to a person or to the property.
I believe that you have ulterior motives in your claims for self-enrichment, have misinformed the members here, have deceived the public by informing them that home inspectors cannot inspect electrical components via your website. You seem to be lobbying to harm the home inspection industry by lobbying to have qualified home inspectors barred from performing one of the most essential components of a home inspection.
This, coupled with the fact that you are not even a member, in my opinion, is why you should be banned from the boards and sued by InterNACHI for making false claims that are harmful to all Ohio home inspectors. You should not be telling home inspectors or the public what home inspectors can and cannot do under Ohio law. As far as I can tell you are not a licensed attorney, legislator or the Superintendent or member of the Ohio home inspector board.
http://ohiocodeinspections.com/licensed-home-inspectors-in-ohio/ I have the page memorialized should the attornies need to see it in its current form.
If I were based in Ohio, I would be speaking with Nick and the InterNACHI attorneys about your activities. I hope that our Ohio inspectors do just that.
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Thank you for sharing the libelous comments from the Grimes. I shared your post with my attorney and as we had discussed before it would be almost impossible for me to have a cause of action against them without proof that their comments had harmed me. You provided me with that cause.
I am also investigating an action against you for recklessly sharing that information with malice. You should have talked with your attorney before going after someone that you do not know.
Please move to Ohio and sue me. Your opinion is meaningless to me.
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I too have copied your attempts to have others take legal action against me.
You can call me an idiot if you wish but attacking me and my business will not be tolerated.
You have been put on notice!
Do others have permission to call you an idiot too, because I haven’t used that term?
I have an opinion and the right to express it as such. You on the other hand have published statements not as opinion, but as fact.
I think you’re a putz. Ask your attorney to sue me for expressing my opinion of you.
Yes. I think InterNACHI should take action against you on behalf of all Ohio home inspectors, because I think your statements are false and your actions are intentionally harmful to the home inspection profession in Ohio.
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Correct I post FACTS, You post OPINIONS.
You know what they say about opinions!
I actively enforce the code and i am required to show anyone that fails an inspection WHERE in the code I found my reasons for failing the installation.
I attend mandated training on the NEC. I can teach the NEC. Do you even own the NEC?
Blah, blah, blah.
I think you’re full of crap and don’t know the difference between fact and opinion. Only a fool mistakes his opinions for facts. You can’t even get your definitions for “Readily Accessible” straight. That’s a pretty basic blunder that doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in your competence.
Where did you get your certification and license to practice law? You’re not very good at it.
The NEC is not my opinion.
There are two legal definitions of readily accessible her in Ohio. Both apply.
A dead front cover prevents the inside of an electrical panel from being readily accessible regardless of which definition you use.
We have higher standards in Ohio. You sound like a child on the playground - shouting insults because you have no facts to present.
In 2007 an attempt was made to allow electricians to inspect electrical installations for manufactured homes. That was shot down. Ohio wouldn’t let them verify a outside disconnect. What makes you think that Ohio will allow HIs to inspect the inside of a panel?
Maybe you should moved to Ohio so you could attend an OHIB meeting and explain the brilliant point(s) that you have presented here.
Proposed
SOP Electrical
U. A licensee shall inspect a property’s electrical system during a home inspection and describe in the home inspection report the licensee’s findings related to all of the following:
As approved an adopted. (at my request)
T. A licensee shall inspect a property’s readily accessible components of the electrical system during a home inspection and report the licensee’s findings related to all of the following:
Proposed was all encompassing - adopted limits the inspection to “readily accessible”. HUGE difference. A court recorder was there so if you want to hear my comments you can request a transcript.
Too bad that you were not there. I’m sure that they would have listened to you. NOT!
Aaaand. What exactly is the definition for “readily accessible” in RC 4764? When they define the term as it is used in that regulation, it doesn’t really matter what it means in any other context. It doesn’t matter how it’s defined in the NEC, the IRC, Oxford’s English Dictionary, your head or anywhere else.
Are you being willfully ignorant and boorish or is it something you can’t help?
So let’s be clear:
You have lobbied the legislature to try to bar Home Inspectors from being able to inspect electrical systems, including opening panels, during the course of a home inspection and tried to influence the writing of the law to achieve that objective. Correct? And you boast of a transcript documenting your doing so.
You have published, on your own website, an article intended for public consumption in which you claim that it is illegal for a home inspector to open an electrical panel during the course of a home inspection to inspect the components and you cite the NEC definition of readily accessible as part of your rational for doing so. You also conflate the electrical component of a home inspection with an “electrical safety inspection”, which has specific code compliance meaning in Ohio. Correct?
You attest that these things you state are factual and not opinion because in your own words “I post FACTS” while you leave statements of opinion to me. Correct?
You have ignored the definition of “readily accessible” included in RC 4764.01 and instead, substituted the definition used in the NEC in your “factual” statements because the former does not support your claim. Correct?
Again, are you a licensed Ohio attorney, legislator or regulator for the state of Ohio or do you have some other qualification that makes you qualified to present factual interpretations of Ohio law to the public, and to inform the public as to what Home Inspectors are/are not permitted to do in the course of a home inspection according to Ohio law? It’s a straight forward question. It’s about time you answered it.
How you can take actions and make statements which in my opinion appear intentionally harmful to home inspectors throughout the state of Ohio, then come here preaching to the membership as a non-member and expect to be welcomed, I find to be an unfathomable display of misplaced hubris.
Do feel free to make more “factual” statements to refute my expressed opinions, but try to actually address the questions posed in defense of your position.
Now, we have two threads dedicated to this nonsense?
It would be my opinion, that any regulatory body, would determine that removing six screws from an electrical panel to remove the cover, would fall under the category of readily accessible.
I would also agree with Mr Evans assessment that you have ulterior motives to promote your theories, which are to enrich yourself.
And finally, people who sue people, do not tell people that they are going to sue, that they are going to sue them. They just sue them.
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