Structural crack - not to worry?

Originally Posted By: mboehmer
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Had the buyer’s realtor try to tell me that this crack in a 15 yr old house was “nothing to worry about”.


I (politely) begged to differ and wrote up as needing further investigation. What do you think?


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Originally Posted By: ekartal
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Two differnt cracks? First one looks like lateral pressure against wall. That second crack may run much further down the foundation wall. Could you see from inside? Both look like further evaluation…


Erol Kartal


Originally Posted By: mboehmer
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Erol;


1st pic is of interior crack of floor.
2nd pic is exterior view of same crack.

Here's better pic of crack directly inside of garage.

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Originally Posted By: ekartal
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Oh I knew that. Just checking on you. eusa_liar.gif


You got me on that one. I'm tempted to say settlement cracks, but I won't.

Erol


Originally Posted By: dfrend
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My gut would be it is settlement. But I’d write it up for evaluation. CYA



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Originally Posted By: dvalley
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Michael,


Is this crack on a slab floor on grade?

If not, I see no major issue from the picture you posted. There's no displacement or widening of the crack. Appears to be settlement or bad pour.

Do you have a wider overall pic?


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Originally Posted By: Larry L Leesch
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Pic #2 appears to be a crack in the grade beam viewing from the outside. Pic #3 appears to be the same crack in the stem wall which is also above the grade beam. It would need to be evaluated by an engineer. I hope you wrote it up accordingly.


Originally Posted By: mboehmer
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I advised my client to consult with an structural


engineer who could isolate or identify causes and determine what corrective steps should be considered. (Much to the chagrin of


the realtor I might add)


Originally Posted By: ccoombs
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I agree with David. The crack didn?t show signs of vertical movement across the crack. If it was an isolated crack, it could be due to underground line running under or in the slab. The curb might be an issue only because of the potential for spalling at the inside. If this were a post-tension foundation and the crack was a straight line and perpendicular to the foundation edge I would not stand any where close!


Originally Posted By: Larry L Leesch
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I’ll disagree with ya Curtis. Any crack thru a grade beam should be evaluated by an engineer. If the inspector does not call it out, he CAN, in some states, be liable by an implied warranty for not calling it out. It’s better cover your backside than risk losing your wallet.


Originally Posted By: Craig Shap
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I agree to call it out even though the structure not show deflection along the concrete floor especially if the crack is visable from the exterior into the interior. Keep inmind this crack can widen, causing moisture to penetrate pending on the exterior water table, leaves an opening for insects to travel through as well. Nver mind what the realtor thinks “use your better judgement on this”.



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Originally Posted By: ccoombs
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Larry


As an inspector I would call it out. As an engineer, I would give the answer I posted. Two different hats, two different answers. I was just giving my "engineering opinion." And you know how much free advice is worth!


Originally Posted By: roconnor
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Something my Dad tought me ages ago is … “if you don’t know, don’t guess” (he was an engineer too) … icon_wink.gif


Since you are in TX I am assuming you have expansive soils in your area, and this may be post-tensioned slab and grade beam construction.

If that is the case the usual guidelines for cracking just don't apply to that type of construction, and something may be very wrong. Have an SE evaluate that, and let us know the outcome.


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Originally Posted By: dhartke
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Robert,


As a whole masonry cracks are complicated but vital to understanding the movement in foundation and other structure when considering brick and stone veneer, slabs, etc.

Do you know of a link that would group the different types and size and what message they're sending to us? Of course the different soil types would have to be considered. A "master guide to cracks". No pun intended.


Originally Posted By: roconnor
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Unfortunately for HI’s there is no “master guide” for cracks, but I have a few links on the subject.


http://www.homeinspectioncourse.com/soils.html
http://www.inspect-ny.com/structure/foundation.htm
http://www.houston-slab-foundations.info./

But, this is one area which requires experience, training, and judgment to report on.


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Originally Posted By: tallen
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Thanks Robert icon_biggrin.gif



I have put the past behind me,


where , however, it now sits, making rude remarks.


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Originally Posted By: dhartke
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Robert


There is a ton of good information in those links. Thanks


Originally Posted By: roconnor
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Glad I could be of some help … icon_wink.gif


Michael ... burried in those links is a pretty good discussion of the typical grade slab construction with expansive soils in the Huston area called "Buyer's Guide to Slab-on-Ground Foundations" which may be helpfull for you.

http://www.houston-slab-foundations.info./Buyers%20Guide.pdf


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