Thanksgiving was originally a celebration of capitalism after socialism nearly killed all the Pilgrims

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Had they not been ravaged by foreign diseases, they would have put up a much better fight.

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Do you mean covid or the clot shots??:thinking:

Covid wasn’t invented yet, I don’t think. Could be wrong though, I’m not much of a virus guru.

These wars went on for over 200 years. I’d say they fought pretty damn well. However, capitalism prevailed, for it armed colonist’s armies and ultimately advanced America’s technology.

Oh my bad I was thinking of the plandemic.

This battle had nothing to do with capitalism, at least directly. Native Americans were ravished by diseases they had no immunity to from the start. They could never recover from that. Meanwhile, the Europeans could restock their numbers with fresh boat loads (literally) of people. In addition, Native Americans were naive in believing in things like truces, peace agreements, and treaties.

That was definitely a two-way street. Not only did they not comply, but they were completely ignored, did not understand the terms, or the indigenous were divided.

In many instances, it was battles over resources. The fur trade, for example, caused conflict. Fur was traded for weapons and ammunition. Capitalism advanced warfare.

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They definitely were. And the Europeans played that to their advantage.

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The great irony of colonialism is that it raised the standard of living anywhere in the world where it occured.
Dots

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Let’s go immigration!!!

Err, what??? lol

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No more than anyone else, human nature being what it is. All treaties and agreements (contracts) are made with the shared belief that each party will keep their word. This is not always the case and treaties have been broken throughout history when one party decides it no longer benefits them.

Sadly, so was the US and Ukraine.

I know, thread drift, but it’s still at least somewhat related. :wink:

Biden tried to get Ukraine into NATO in violation of a long-standing agreement not to. A requirement of being a country in NATO is that you spend 2% of your GDP on military weaponry aimed at Moscow. Biden gave Putin no choice here, he had to attack.

Ukraine is still trying to get into NATO. One requirement of entry however, is that you re not engaged in a war.

Not sure where you’re getting your information, but I’m pretty sure that’s not the case, I can’t find anything stating there was ever an agreement that Ukraine would not join NATO, although on the other hand, IMO, if Ukraine was a member of NATO, or if they still had the nukes they gave up in the agreement they had with Russia to stay off their property, Russia would have never attacked them because they know they would have been committing suicide. When I say Russia, I really mean Putin.

It was the plan for Ukraine to join NATO long before Biden was POTUS, but first they needed to meet certain requirements and expectations which they were in the process of complying with.

NATO - Topic: Relations with Ukraine

Evolution of NATO-Ukraine relations

  • Dialogue and cooperation started when newly independent Ukraine joined the North Atlantic Cooperation Council (1991) and the Partnership for Peace programme (1994).
  • Relations were strengthened with the signing of the 1997 Charter on a Distinctive Partnership, and further enhanced in 2009 with the Declaration to Complement the Charter, which reaffirmed the decision by NATO Leaders at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of NATO.

Ukraine’s membership aspirations

  • In response to Ukraine’s aspirations for NATO membership, Allies agreed at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of NATO. They also agreed that Ukraine’s next step on its way to membership was the Membership Action Plan (MAP), NATO’s programme of political, economic, defence, resource, security and legal reforms for aspirant countries. In 2009, the Annual National Programme was introduced as Ukraine’s key instrument to advance its Euro-Atlantic integration and related reforms.
  • From 2010 to 2014, Ukraine pursued a non-alignment policy, which it terminated in response to Russia’s aggression. In June 2017, the Ukrainian Parliament adopted legislation reinstating membership in NATO as a strategic foreign and security policy objective. In 2019, a corresponding amendment to Ukraine’s Constitution entered into force.
  • In September 2020, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy approved Ukraine’s new National Security Strategy, which provides for the development of the distinctive partnership with NATO with the aim of membership in NATO. In September 2022, following Russia’s illegal attempted annexations of Ukrainian territory, Ukraine reiterated its request for NATO membership.
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For sure. And NATO has stated that Ukraine is on an irreversible path to becoming a member. They will become a member, it is already guaranteed.

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Yea, ummm no! :wink:

Not your decision, not Putin’s decision. So, yeah.

We will see…