Just becasue the AHJ approves somethng does not make it right. We have an inspector over here that has had entire roof systems replaced becasue they were nailed incorrectly (multiple rows of shiners) that had been permitted. You have to remember the buildin code officials are held harmless for anything they do> Many times they rely on a third party for documentation of a job, and you know how that can do. I have had the same situations. If you can get the buildilng department to come to the site, you stand a good chance of proving your point. If a client gets involved your chances are greater. All depends on how far you want to go with it. Most inspectors could not be bother - they just move on to the next job.
Like what?
I can make up examples all day. A shingle that has blown off is a defect a home inspector would report but one that does not prove the roof wasn’t installed to code. Many defects are found on systems and components that were originally installed to code. They simply later leaked, quit working, blew off, broke, had missing parts, rotted, were modified, or just plain wore out. Actually, most defects home inspectors find fall into similar categories.
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You have to look at the big picture. The only reason we have an inspection industry at all… the sole reason we exist as a profession… is because of the The Second Law of Thermodynamics.
Wouldn’t all of those defects fall under the category of:
***2010 Florida Building Code, Residential: ***
R901.1 Scope.</B>
The provisions of this chapter shall govern the design, materials, construction and quality of roof assemblies.
R903.1 General. </B>Roof decks shall be covered with *approved *roof coverings secured to the building or structure in accordance with the provisions of this chapter. Roof assemblies shall be designed and installed in accordance with this code and the *appro**ved* manufacturer’s installation instructions such that the roof assembly shall serve to protect the building or structure.
Now one could argue that this only applies to structures built to the Florida Building Code, but the Existing Building Code points you directly to chapter 9 of the Residential code…**
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Funny…I thought we owed our profession to contractors who actually built and inspected structures, go on…
No. Defects due to something not being originally built or installed to code makes up less than 10% of all defects in a home.
Most defects come from the fact that everything in this world is in a constant state of getting old and falling apart.
Millions of roofs aren’t constantly being replaced around the world because they weren’t originally installed to code. Code violations are not why people have their roofs replaced.
A recent study came to the conclusion that the average new structure has over 33 individual electrical code violations, on many occasions I can double this number easily on a new structure…exactly how little do you find in your inspections?
Can you provide us a sample of one of your inspections in Florida?
Actually, I have seen new and old roofing systems having to be replaced because they were not installed to code…you haven’t?
…and this answers the question of where our profession came from how?
It’s rare. Most people don’t have their roofs replaced because of a code violation. Most people have their roofs replaced because their existing roof is old.
I agree, electrical is where most code violations exist.
Robert you seem to know your most recent codes very well.
My curiosity is how would you inspect a home built in 1932??? Most of this home is not to any current code.
SO basically the code book is the rule
the municipal code inspector is not required to actually know or enforce code (even though they are called code inspectors)
and Mr. Shepperd (king of codes) obviously read his code book while eating and taking a dump.
correct???
FALSE! I do not eat while taking a dump.
Somehow the assumption that I’m here on this earth to stroke your ego and make you feel good about what you do has been embedded into your head. I’m not sorry if you thought something different than what I’m telling and showing you as fact. Making you feel good about what you do is not my job, the information I post here is free of charge and for your own benefit. It’s not my problem if you can’t comprehend it…it’s yours.
…and a little advice, when you start with the name-calling and insults…you lost the discusion. Don’t believe me? When the attorney starts handing you your behind in court…start throwing some of your insults and name-calling around, see how far you get. It actually makes you come across as uneducated enough to submit a decent rebutal, kind of a fight-or-flight mentality.
No, this is not what I said. Go back and read it again…I’m not going to hold your hand on this one.
Screw a bunch of code.
Call it out and friggin move on.
What is wrong with that? Huh?
The darn roof has 2 layers of shingles…You told them and now they know.
I can’t believe this thread has had so many post on such a mundane topic.
Why would you get the impression that you stroke my ego. You are prolly good a stroking sausages but ego, no…
I would bet with your king of all knowledge attitude and your interpretation of code, you would stand a better chance at being the court target before I would.
I actually like the name calling, as I hope it gets under your skin.
Most come here to help one another understand our job better.
You come here and throw your know it all stuff in everyone’s face, while degrading and insulting all that disagree with you, then you have the balls to actually think someone should pat you on the back for your “free advice.”
While I may come off as a little naive or ask silly questions once in a while, I can assure you, I am fully capable of opening a code book myself and finding an answer. I mainly do it for entertainment value.
Why do you want to hold my hand Mr. Sheppard???
You also never answered my question. Could you actually inspect anything that was 80 years old, or are you limited to new construction.
No code book will help you with an aged home.
I know it’s a code issue. NEC 110.12 B.
However, I’m just stating my policy is there is no code when it comes to safety.
Sometimes there may be an argument the inspector’s job is to see that all systems/items meet
their intended purpose, not a code inspection per RE contract. So they want to think they do not have to repair.
Code or not, I will report it. 
Come on Rob, you can do it ~ try to multitask! 
And plumbing too 
You want to talk about codes? sure lets do that. There are people that live in these. What would your inspection report look like?
