Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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Who was here first, Electrician or Plumber!
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Who was here first, Electrician or Plumber!
Originally Posted By: Blaine Wiley
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Perhaps “Harry Homeowner’s Plumbing Company”?
Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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Now that I look at it again it looks like the “rope” was installed by a non-electrician, so it was probably the DIY person “Harry” who done this work?
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Originally Posted By: chorne
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Joe,
Thats a classic!!!
Originally Posted By: lkage
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Yup, classic Joe…just look at that nice beach pail “Harry” used to catch the TPR valve extension. That ought to hold nicely.
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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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How would a Home Inspectior address this situation?
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Originally Posted By: rcooke
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How would a Home Inspectior address this situation? |
Less then professionally done .
Recommend immediate repairs by qualified personal.
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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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Short and sweet! CYA!
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Originally Posted By: phinsperger
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Oooh Goody Now I don't have to inspect the panel - insuffient access
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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Hi to all,
I think that the electrician should be commended for managing to install that panel behind the WH, obviously he could not reach properly to secure the wires   
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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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No way was that panel installed behind an existing water heater, I think the plumber “Harry” installed the water heater in front of the panel
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Originally Posted By: mcyr
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I think the 12 pack cooler explains it all.
The electrician and the plumber were on the job at the same time on a Friday morning and were advised by the owner they had to get it done if payment were to be received.
Electrician said, well I have the panel installed, but not quit finished.
Plumber said, well hurry up and energize the circuits so I can get my work done.
OK. , he said I will leave the panel door open in case I have to get back inside.
Thanks for the consideration. The plumber said.
Plumber does his work and looks at the electrician, and says, heh. we got it done.
Electrian says, heh I can't get to my panel. Heh, who gives a hoot, nothing ever goes wrong with electrical. I need to service my work.
What's the bucket for the electrian asked. Just in case the temperature relief valve lets go, I brought it from a re-hab job. What's that bubble tank for on the heater piping? That is to take care of the high pressure expansion from the hot water. OK. said the electrician.
Electrician says, heh, I was not done securing the wiring going in the panel. Plumber says, hey, if it works, don't worry about it.
Ok, let's go get paid, this looks like a professionally done job in 8 hours.
The Plumber says, hey, we are running out of cold one's, lets' get paid and I meet you down the street.
Marcel
Originally Posted By: cradan
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Hmmm…I liked your theory, Marcel. And it all hung-together logically, until I realized exactly WHY the theory can’t possibly be correct.
You see, the photo was taken by an inspector, some time after the installations. Might our intrepid craftsmen have left a wire stripper or screwdriver at the jobsite? Yes. Perhaps a half-empty can of flux? Absolutely. But would they de-mob and and leave the cooler? NO WAY.
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Originally Posted By: mcyr
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This was't meant to be a theory, but a joke to this off the wall scenario.
I can not stoop down my imagination that there are qualified? tradespeople out there that would do this type of work.
You do not have to be a Home Inspector to see what's wrong with this scenario.
Hopefully, the inspector wrote this up accordingly, and now that I mention it, how was it wrote up?
Let me guess, and I am not trying to be sarcastic,
The water heater has been installed in front of the electrical panel, depriving proper access to the panel. The electrical code, ( code section)
states that 3 feet of clearance should be available in front of the panel.
Wires above the panel should be attached properly to a minimum of 12" above the panel.
The water heater should be installed in a proper environment to not impair the access to the electrical panel.
The new water heater access should be installed in a location where a drain could be available for the temperature relief valve.
Something like this could go on for a while.
Marcel
Originally Posted By: rcooke
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This was't meant to be a theory, but a joke to this off the wall scenario. I can not stoop down my imagination that there are qualified? tradespeople out there that would do this type of work. You do not have to be a Home Inspector to see what's wrong with this scenario. Hopefully, the inspector wrote this up accordingly, and now that I mention it, how was it wrote up? Let me guess, and I am not trying to be sarcastic, The water heater has been installed in front of the electrical panel, depriving proper access to the panel. The electrical code, ( code section) states that 3 feet of clearance should be available in front of the panel. Wires above the panel should be attached properly to a minimum of 12" above the panel. The water heater should be installed in a proper environment to not impair the access to the electrical panel. The new water heater access should be installed in a location where a drain could be available for the temperature relief valve. Something like this could go on for a while. Marcel |
In Canada we do not do code .
It is not up to me to tell them how to fix it I write it up
and tell them to get a qualified person to fix it . Not up to me to give along drawn out explanation on what is right or wrong .
It is bad Period. See below how I would write it.
CRA Cover Roys A$$
Less then professionally installed
Recommend immediate repairs by qualified personal.
KISS keep it simple stupid
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Originally Posted By: mcyr
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Originally Posted By: rcooke
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Roy, what did you mean by this statement? (KISS keep it simple stupid) |
This is a commomn expresion up here in Canada to tell people
to not get it long and drawn out .
The more you say the longer it goes on and the sooner you say somthing you wish you had not said . So make it short and too the point . It gets the correct message out and every one carries on . It is Called KISS.
I have a friend who uses 22 words when 6 would do .
As I said
Less then professionally installed
Recommend immediate repairs by qualified personal.
Short and sweet and every one gets the message
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Originally Posted By: mcyr
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I understood that part of it with no problem, it is the underlined word that bother me.
I understand completely that less said is better off, but around here, we need to help educate people as you do your job. That way you are respected in what you do and people will do the advertising for you.
I understand the standard of practice that we abide with and have to pass every year. This standard is set up for people going in to the business.
The statements that I said were all asked on the on-line entrance exam to become a NACHI Member and again on the one year exam I took recently.
In. short, after 40 years of building construction and 35 of it in Commercial work, I will be damn if I don't educate and explain the situation and the problem to the Customer. Of course I will recommend qualified personnel to look at it, but knowing what needs to be corrected and how, I am very familiar with. I will pass this experience to anyone that is paying me for an expert finding or job as it may be.
I guess our ethics are a little mismatched and will leave at such.
Thank you
Marcel
Originally Posted By: rcooke
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I understood that part of it with no problem, it is the underlined word that bother me. I guess our ethics are a little mismatched and will leave at such. Thank you Marcel |
It is not meant as an insult in any way or form .
I am sorry if I had it come across that way .
This is used amongst friends to tell them that they are getting a little carried away with the talking .
It is never used to a client or the public.
I hope it is taken as if it is a friend talking to you.
I will try and be a little more carefull in the future .
I want to help not to insult.
Thanks for bearing with me .
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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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It is just like saying “CYA” – “Cover Your A S S”
Roy wasn't referring to you!
I think what he is trying to say is that the less discussed beyond the actual Home Inspection is the best way, but you do it in another way.
I will see you if you go to the Maine meeting, I have been invited to attend on August 5, 2005.
Stupid!
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