Instead of sitting around waiting for and killing the inevitable Missouri home inspection bill that slithers from under a different rock each legislative session…I am putting forth a more proactive plan to benefit inspectors and the industry in a variety of states.
I have been in contact with a national civil liberties type organization that exists for no other reason than to file lawsuits against state governments for laws that injure some citizens while benefiting other citizens in the marketplace.
With the anticipated state budget shortfalls, increasing the expense of their existing home inspection laws by forcing them into court can have a positive effect…not only in getting some of them repealed but in preventing some from even being filed.
Accordingly, if you are (or once was) a home inspector in a licensed state but were damaged (or forced out of business) by a licensing law that, for instance, mandated E&O insurance (favoring the high volume inspector over the rural inspector), required to attend and pay for an expensive training school (while others in your state were arbitrarily “grandfathered”) or some other measure designed to “thin the herd”, I would like for you to email me. If your case is acceptable, you may be entitled to free representation by this (or another) group in a lawsuit that will require that you be made whole and that the law be overturned.
There are many problems with licensing, but the biggest problem is that it harms consumers by providing state-issued “cover” for incompetent inspectors.
Thanks to the 2nd largest home inspection association in the U.S., most states require nearly nothing to be a home inspector, while the very same association that pushes for the weak licensing requires absolutely nothing to become a member.
Nick…do you have any original thoughts on any topic, or is everything posted simply an opportunity to advertise NACHI and bash other associations?
The reason that I ask this is that there has never…not one solitary time…been a home inspection bill/law driven by consumers. All of them…every single one of them…have been pushed by special interests using these laws for financial gain and home inspectors (of all associations) seeking advantage over others.
This issue, as important as it is to our industry, has never been worth fighting for or against, in your opinion. You have stood idle while pretending to object in every state where it has been fought…and only engaging in communications where you could gain advantage by selling your wares once a law has been passed.
You stand for nothing. Accordingly, since your having retaken the reigns of ED, neither does NACHI (interNACHI or whatever it is that NAHI makes you refer to it as).
Legislation is a home inspector issue. As you have pointed out, consistently, NACHI is not a home inspector association anymore.
So…please…keep you association bashing and your P.T. Barnum “sideshow tent” hyperbole out of the discussion that actually affects the lives and livelihoods of home inspectors. You are too far out of touch to be relevant in these types of matters. Sorry.
What “actually affects the lives and livelihoods of home inspectors” are those like you, who financially fund the dragon that attacks our industry. Do you not know where the everyone-passes NHIE came from? You might want to look at their BOD.
You self-righteously complain that InterNACHI isn’t part of the solution to the extent you think we should be… while shamelessly forgetting that it is YOU (and your wallet) that are the real problem.
Home inspectors know their friends from their foes.
I joined NACHI when it was an association for home inspectors and, when you told me that it no longer was, I left. End of that discussion.
As to the licensing issue, the financial circumstances of many states have created for us the unique opportunity to afford legislators who are looking for ways to reduce their expenditures to do so in a way that will benefit the state, the consumer, and the inspector…by repealing its law that does nothing to improve the quality of home inspections, anyway.
Some may not even need the “wake-up” call of a lawsuit.
Your obsession with ASHI has you putting the full weight of the licensing problems on their soldiers…wanting people to believe that their dues to ASHI is equivalent to passing a licensing law.
Yet…you have done nothing with what you claim to be “the largest and best inspection association” to counter them.
Sure…you take your shots from the security of your own keyboard posting to the message board where you control full editorial rights…but those of us who are on the battlefield have never seen your face. Why is that? Cowardice, perhaps…or is it something else.
You think that it is “silly” and “stupid” for an inspector to recommend repair, monitoring, or evaluation after identifying a defect…but it does not stop you from hyping a $99 CD full of such narrative comments that you say will improve his report and reduce his liability.
Likewise, licensing is wrong (you say)…but you do nothing to oppose it while you seek a licensing board who will embrace NACHI Tv.
You stand for nothing, Nick…but for Nick. That is fine, but it is no reason to hate ASHI.
I guess so, Nick,… but why are approximately** 77% of people** (approx 16,700) who passed the INACHI exam since September/2006 not members of this association?
decided not to join?
joined and then failed as HI’s
since the test is open and free to the public, many in the general public may take the test for fun and pass but have no reason to join. This may point out that the test is very easy (or so I have been told by a few members!!) if thousands in the general public can pass it!!
Jim, if you quit all associations, I would agree that you are a man of principle. But you fighting crappy licensing with your left hand while you fund crappy licensing with your right hand, makes you a hypocrite. Also Jim, InterNACHI is not only non-profit, it is Federally Tax Exempt as well (most non-profits are not also Federally Tax Exempt).
Brian, in the same way that 61% can’t pass just one of our entrance exams http://exams.nachi.org/oe/stats.php even more can’t agree to fulfill the rest of our requirements: www.nachi.org/membership.htm. InterNACHI membership is just too much work for most. Brian, since ASHI has no exams at all to join, you might ask why don’t 100% of all inspectors join them.
I don’t think anyone would agree that my position against licensing…like my past position of defending NACHI against its many critics…has as much to do with principle as it does practicality.
Licensing is bad for my profession (it “dumbs it down”), is bad for my business (it instantly creates “licensed” professionals out of my newbie competitors), and is wrong for any association who puts its profession and members first.
I could not weigh into the fight against the HI law that you embraced, as NACHI’s ED, and published as being “the most HI friendly law in the country” as a member of NACHI without doing the what you are accusing me of as a member of ASHI.
While there are ASHI members who are working toward legislation that I oppose, they also are unified in opposition against the legislation that you have embraced and praised.
In that regard, I can work with them and supplement their efforts with mine to see that the debacle of Kansas does not move into this state. When it comes to fighting the ASHI legislation, I can use my own membership in ASHI to show that their support for it is not universal. As a member of NACHI…I get you to buy me a case of K. Swift books to hand out to realtors.
Florida falls into the anticipated state budget shortfalls category, we currently have an unfunded license that is scheduled to go into effect in 2010. Hopefully the state will wisely continue to not fund this legislation that provides zero prosperity and is simply another burden on the taxpayer. Not funding this legislation would be the best solution because it would most likely quell any further legislation proposals that home inspectors would have to address.
The next few years may be very important to those of us who work behind the lines against home inspector licensing legislation as more & more states will face a budget shortfall crisis. Hopefully we can use this time to arrest and even roll back some of the more damaging legislation and diminish the prominence the NHIE holds through their lobbyists within state legislations through civil liberties type organizations and citizens licensing reform groups.
For so very long we have all been living under the false notion that Growth = Prosperity, very soon we will all come to the realization that both Growth & Prosperity are dependent on Surplus. In the last twenty years we have been living in unprecedented times where the Surplus allowed the luxury of both Growth & Prosperity, this unfortunately is no longer the case. Governments are slowly coming to grips with the understanding that they will have to choose between Growth and Prosperity, as there will not be enough state revenue to fund both, and all the while realizing that Home Inspector Licensing is a Growth function which provides little if any Prosperity to the citizens of the state.
Jim, thanks for all your effort, hopefully more inspectors will see that folly that home inspector licensing is and will work to help defeat and repeal this type of taxpayer burden.
INACHI is bad for my profession (it “dumbs it down”), is bad for my business (it instantly creates “certified” professionals out of my newbie competitors) and is wrong for any association who (claims to) put its profession and members first.
In a much earlier post, Will Decker agreed with the sentence in blue!!
Can you prove that the 61% that fail were actually trying to become a Home Inspector or were many of the general public just trying the test “for fun” since it is free and readily accessible??
IMHO, that stat is more “WEB FICTION” and really has very little actual validity, contrary to what you claim!!! An unknowing public/newbie HI’s (which you depend on) will take this stat as correct and valid but when pointed out to the public how it is derived, they are aghast at this org and its “certification” process!!!
SPIN!!! SPIN!!! SPIN!!!
Back in the boom times there was no associations who were not guilty of “dumbing down the profession”, all of the associations were engage in a battle for the “newbie inspector” spending every last friggin’ dime of surplus revenue attempting to attract new home inspectors to their group… NACHI was simply the best in show.
Now that “newbie” inspectors are no longer clamoring to join our ranks coupled with the states (through licensing) having become the arbiters of the “Standards of Practice”, associations will need to once again reinvent themselves. That is of course if they are going to remain a viable ongoing entity and a resource for their members, though I expect a few associations will be tossed on the ash-heap of history because of their inability to change. Let’s see where we are in 2010, chances are good you won’t recognize the profession. :shock:
Your edit of my statement is as invalid as Nick using my membership to attack ASHI.
Both of you are so far from the real point…lost in your personal agendas over who (ASHI or NACHI) has the biggest pee-pee that you your positions lack relevance to any current issue facing home inspectors.
If you cannot make your point without naming ASHI or NACHI in it, Nick and Brian, you are simply posting another worthless infomercial.
Nick uses this forum to recruit new members and his P.T. Barnum antics can be understood, for his purpose is to sell, sell, sell. This section of his message board is the “side show” where he can invite the public to come see the bearded lady, the headless dog, and other reasons to join his circus.
This has been understood and accepted by all of us for years. It’s too late in the game to begin condemning him for it. It is unfortunate he lowers his credibility even further, here, by condemning and attacking ASHI - but that’s his choice, too.
Coming here to attack NACHI and its membership, Brian, is a totally other thing.
I have met NACHI members who have been in the home inspection business for over 20 years. This is not possible when you are incompetent, for the market will expel you long before an association will. Your condemnation of NACHI members is without merit and recognized to be, instantly, by those of us who know better.
Are there NACHI members who are unqualified? Sure there are, but even you would agree that the public is better served by having these people in an association with close proximity to some training and education that could help them be better rather than to be – as the majority of inspectors are – unassociated with any formal group of inspectors.
You raise the specter of gloom that a poor, unsuspecting public could possibly hire one of these unqualified people because of their being NACHI members. I can tell you that, in the four years that I was a member, no one ever hired me because I belonged to NACHI. That is not consistent with the illusion that Mr. Barnum would like his side show to convey to potential members, but it is true and others will tell you the same.
Nick is out of touch and is spinning from vendor to vendor hoping to find a new niche for his new association that is no longer a “mere home inspector” association. He doesn’t know what it is yet…but he’s working on it.
Meanwhile, it still consists of people who can effectively inspect houses and your disparagements and insinuations to the contrary fall as short from the truth as Nick’s myriad of hyperboles.