2009 - The Year of the Repeal

General Inspection Topics Legislation, Licensing, Ethics & Legal Issues
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Our policy has been posted on this message board many, many times. InterNACHI does not take a position on any legislation (good or bad) unless it is particularly InterNACHI unfriendly. InterNACHI has done a tremendous amount of lobbying in states like Kentucky, New Jersey, Michigan, Washington, Pensylvania, New Hampshire, etc., but in each case, we concentrated on making the legislation association neutral, and in each case, succeeded.
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Thanks for your response. Now let me get this straight NACHI, does not take a position on legislation. So then the policy that has written by Joe, years ago, was not really a NACHI policy?

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The policy that Joe wrote years ago is still in affect. Unless legislation is particularly association biased against InterNACHI, InterNACHI does not officially support or oppose any particular state legislation.

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You’d better read that policy again.

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Again, I admit that InterNACHI and I consider any licensing board rules that oppose online education to be “InterNACHI unfriendly.” InterNACHI is the inspection industry’s largest supplier of state approved online continuing education www.nachi.org/education.htm by far.

Under Joe’s policy, InterNACHI could have done nothing to oppose or support the Kansas home inspector Bill (which on the surface at least, reads association-neutral)… and so we didn’t oppose or support it.

Once it was signed into law on May 18th, our job at InterNACHI was to get InterNACHI’s courses approved by the licensing board for CE purposes.

This switch in gears that you see… you see because… we switched gears.

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Wrong.

Read Joe’s policy letter again, please.

Give us your thoughts on the autonomy of the board, the real estate agent and the trial lawyer seats on the board, and the mandatory pre-licensing education courses…as it applies to the policy Joe wrote and you approved.

Then, tell us how it came about that you supported it, anyway.

Oh…and be careful. While we all know and understand that NACHI and NACHI Tv are one entity…you still want the taxman to buy the illusion that they are separate. Thus, you want to distinguish between them and not refer to them as “interNACHI courses”.

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Say WHAT??? You running for public office?? Meeting #3 of the Board should be coming up sometime after the first of the year, are you still planning on coming in and having a drink with THE CHAIRMAN?? You pulled your punches when you had an opportunity to strike a hard blow, kind of like in a Liberal way. Can’t we just all get along and allow on-line education? No, then screw this, this law sucks. :roll:

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Hold the Kansas home inspector Bill up to Joe’s policy. There were numerous reasons why we could not support the Bill. And so we didn’t.

I think you are confused in two areas:

First, Joe’s policy provides reasons not to support the Kansas Bill. Good reasons. So we didn’t. But not supporting and dedicating member’s money toward actively fighting it are two different things. We did not support the Bill.

Second, once a Bill is signed into Law, it is no longer pending legislation… it is the Law of the Land. At that point, our attention turns to the licensing board rules. We still apply Joe’s overall policy (in general) to the licening board rules in that we attempt to assure that no InterNACHI-unfriendly rules are passed and that our courses, for our members, get approved.

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Paul writes:

Basically correct. But it wouldn’t be the “law” that sucks, it would be the licensing board rule that would suck.

We freely admit that once a Bill is signed and becomes the Law of the Land, our job at InterNACHI is to do whatever we have to (using carrot or stick or both) to make sure the board rules aren’t InterNACHI unfriendly. Being the largest educational provider in the inspection industry, CE course approval is a valid measure of the InterNACHI friendliness of any board rule.

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Nothing but double speak.

All…virtually all of Missouri and Kansas inspectors were, and still are, engaged in fighting this legislation.

Not only do you do nothing to support any of us…you sit with the Viet Cong and pose for pictures on the anti-aircraft gun that was used to shoot the Kansas inspectors down.

You give Jeff Barnes two threads and publish his false and misleading emails in opposition to your own members, and take his side on the bill that he drafted.

Then…when he screws you…you spend money to oppose the law that you say you never do…spend money to oppose a law, that is.

At one time, I was very loyal to you. Loyalty is a two way street. You betrayed me…and every inspector in this area. Your excuses fall miserably short.

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I believe you are missing the point. Why walk around with a thorn in your paw, when other states are proving that you can run free without the state.
Some licensed inspectors remind me of my girlfriends old dog named Jimbo. He is a great dog. He remembers before my girlfriend moved to the city how he use to run free. Chasing rabbits and humping any lady dog that will let him. Now he has to adjust to city life. He is neutered and if he ever gets off his cable, he always comes back because he accepts things the way they are. He acts like he is very happy but I have seen him when he is sleeping on his back dreaming, kicking his legs in the air like he is running through a field and softly barking with delight. Sad but true.

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Jim, you make 4 points. Allow me to address all 4 Jim:

The first, we’ve gone through over and over and over. InterNACHI cannot support a Bill that is InterNACHI unfriendly… and… cannot spend member’s dues to fight one that is InterNACHI neutral.

The second, having to do with “giving Jeff Barnes two threads.” We’ve made it clear since the day we opened this message board that it is a free speech message board and that we will publish anything inspection-related. The comments of a chairman of a recently appointed licensing board are “inspection-related.” We cannot censor them for you despite your belief that they are “false or misleading.”

The third, having to do with spending money to oppose a law. Yes, we admit to that. We will spend member’s money to oppose any law or board rule at the point where it becomes InterNACHI unfriendly.

The fourth, personal loyalty. My personal loyalty to someone, anyone, even someone I’ve been friends with for 100 years… is superseded by my loyalty to InterNACHI members who I’ve never met.

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We could have used some of that in Kansas.

Good night, Nick.

When you get a chance, email me and tell me what emails you are actually asking me to publish. Some of them are not of the nature that I think you would want me to publish, but still have to do with anti-licensing support that was promised and never provided. I am not wanting any collateral damage, here.

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Thanks for your responses Nick. The NACHI position on home inspector licensure is not near as murky for me. I cannot see the bottom of the lake nor did I expect to at this time. I really like Joe’s policy and are glad that we will be using it when it comes to home inspector licensure.
P.S. Barnes telling everybody that his dog passed the NACHI examine still got me pissed.

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This letter, sent by our attorney, to the Governor of Kansas, 6 days after she signed the bill into law: http://www.nachi.org/documents/mollygetssued.pdf

Again, once a bill becomes law, we turn our focus on making sure the board appointments are fair to our members.

After the board is appointed, we turn our focus on making sure the board rules are fair to our members.

After board rules are adopted, we turn our focus on making sure that their enforcement is fair to our members.

Given an even playing field (no licensing or fair licensing)… InterNACHI members, armed with the success tools www.nachi.org/success.htm InterNACHI provides, will run rings around their non-member competitors, every time.

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Glad I live in a state where the local HIs reguardless of HI org affiliation decide our rules and regulations.

Why would any local HI or member of a HI org want one person speaking for them, have that person meddling in, or allow an individual HI org owner attempt to dictate , what the member of his org or any other org, should or should not have???:roll::roll:

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I have been hearing that Barnes runs the licensing circus in Kansas. No other members have a say, even the ones on the board. So maybe your question, Dan, is better directed to your fellow A$HI member Jeff Barnes in Kansas.

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I have no thorn in my paw. Everyone loves and advertises
their SoP as a measure of their credibility. The only
difference in Texas is that our SoP is better and it is
enforced.

Inspectors in unlicensed states remind me of crying children
who find out it’s time to grow up and be responsible for
their actions. They dream of running wild but the real world
demands accountability and discipline. That’s the REAL
reason they cry so load. Some don’t make it, because it’s
too hard.

You prove my point. NACHI cannot take on a nation wide
position of two opposite views.

**It it is my badge of honor that Realtors do not refer me.
Why would I change that? But again, you prove my point.
Realtors do not control me.

**

**I make my own sand box. You may depend on Realtors
for your business, but not me. It sounds like they
control you and you depend on them for the foundation of
your business model. That is your problem, not mine.

Your bondage is not mine.

Good luck in all you do.
**

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I don’t know Jeff. 1 man Circus ?? :roll::roll:
From what I see he is excersing his voice/ opinion as one person thats getting involved with whats going on. If he is the only person speaking up, and getting involved, sure his opinion will have a deciding factor on what happens in your state.
As long as you support, and depend on 1 person to speak for you, instead of speaking for yourself, the 1 man that you support will continue to make your state lic a circus as long as it will benifit him.

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Pornographic and crude is your signature. Wow. I am
impressed… LOL. :mrgreen:

On a personal level, I really don’t care about licensing as an
issue. It affects me so little, that I never think about it.

Nick has laid out a logical and well stated position. Your
response about his mother and the womb sound like
an attempt to impress us with your wit, but avoids any real
substance, again.

Without Nicks forum, you would be nothing. It is by Nicks
grace, that you even have platform to make a peep.

Just as I predicted you were leaving InterNACHI 6 months
ago, I also predict that your voice will fade as you grow
more bitter and discouraged.

You, not Nick, are the one who has betrayed your friends,
and have been shown to have two faces.

I hope you find a home. You joined ASHI, but I doubt they
will ever trust you because of all the years you attacked
them. Now you have spit in Nick’ face as well.

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It’s sure interesting to see a member of this org change his attitude, and turn to a defender, from a ho hum member, once he becomes a vender.:twisted::twisted::twisted: