Another Appliance Bites the Dust

This man has no common sense!

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See, it starts with this.

Then you will get all the denials from the left “They are not trying to take your furnace”

Then NY or CA will float a ban, enact a ban and the cycle repeats.

Anti-human is the only way to describe this behavior. They want us all stacked up like cordwood in high volume tenements. See the movies Banlieue 13, or the most recent Judge Dredd film for a preview of what that looks like.

They want to ban cars, food production, heat and cooking. cue response “No they don’t, stop watching Faux news.” For the record, I don’t watch any cable news, or much TV at all.

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Complain all you want, but Reagan and Bush set the groundwork to give the DOE power to establish efficiency standards. If not for the standards, we would still have 78% efficient furnaces as the standard and there would be no SEER rating for air conditioners.

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Bravo Richard. Well put.

They don’t want to ban cars, they want to ban or lessen the burning of fossil fuels. If cars ran on air nobody would be talking about them.

They don’t want to ban food production, just lessen the amount of methane being produced, or capture it at least to use for generating electricity. A landfill near me pipes their methane to a nearby town that uses it to produce electricity.

They don’t want to ban heating and cooking. They want people to use more efficient appliances that burn less fossil fuels, or preferably, no fossil fuels at all.

I’m not here to debate burning of fossil fuels, just clarifying that randomly banning things is not the goal as I see it. The goal is to reduce carbon emissions, right or wrong.

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Unless it is a private jet, yacht, or automobile that serves the elite. Or only if it is hidden from view (EV battery production, solar panels etc) to ensure the rich get richer and the poor take the hit in everyday life.

Not ONE of these elitists making the rules expect it to have any effect on their life what-so-ever.

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Then we just need to tax them down a few levels. See this thread…

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It will never happen. See this thread :wink:

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Every chance they get to put normies into a bus or light rail, they do. If they can ban your car from a city center, they will. If they can stop you from commuting into the city at all they are all for it. If they could close down the suburbs tomorrow, they would. Fossil fuels have little to do with it. Control has everything to do with it. With your car, they can’t control where you go. So yes, they do in fact want to ban cars.

Yeah, they’d rather you eat insects. You’re welcome to it. The problem you’re struggling with here is that you think climate change is the reason. The climate has been warming for 10,000 years. How much of it is man-made? Very little. It is however a great excuse for control. If you control energy production and usage, you control everything because everything that moves, living or inanimate needs energy.

Oh, but they do. Nuclear energy is clean, abundant and efficient. New reactors don’t have the failings that 3 mile, Chernobyl and Fukashima had. Yet you don’t hear the left screaming for that? Why not? No carbon dioxide emission, tiny pollution foot print, runs for years. What’s not to love? Oh, right, it makes energy cheap. Can’t have that. The various fusion projects, like the Tokamak are simply research soup bowls. Even if they did manage to get a reactor going and sustain it for more than 100 milliseconds, they won’t ever hook it to the grid until something else changes.

You do have one thing right. They’d be quite happy with you having “no fuel at all”. Have fun cooking your crickets with your solar stove.

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Yet none of those things amount to a hill of beans in terms of “climate change.” The principal greenhouse gas is water vapor. CO2 has a minimal to nonexistent effect on “climate change.” Ultimately all that will be done following this path is to weaken the United States on the world stage. Both economically and militarily. The big polluters (that is spelled CHINA) will do nothing but benefit from our obsession on eliminating fossil fuels. Not only do they plan to dominate economically (they already supply all the “green Energy” raw materials) they will step in militarily once our strength is reduced by this climate change nonsense. They are our adversaries in every sense of the word.

Moreover, we do not meet the current electrical demands of the nation much less being able to meet future needs. Wind and solar simply do not produce! Climate change as the end of the world is a HOAX. The world is presently “greener” than it has ever been in terms of food production. Starvation could be easily eliminated were it not for tribal greed and war.

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That’s because a bus moves more people using less fuel than each person in their own car.

They think climate change is the reason. I didn’t say anything about my thoughts on climate change.

Except nobody wants a nuclear reactor near them. Try finding a new site for one.

There are pebble bed reactors and other technologies that have zero melt-down risk, zero contamination risk and zero weaponization risk.

Why aren’t we pursuing these? The answer is quite simple and it has nothing to do with carbon dioxide emissions. It is too disruptive to the current order of things. Entire cities, disconnected from the national power grid? Next thing you know, the city disconnects from the political grid.

Dependence on Washington must be maintained and increased where possible. When you fully grasp that concept, all the decisions coming out of Washington make a lot more sense.

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Yeah, like I said, I’m not here to debate climate change or the burning of fossil fuels. That argument has been hashed over enough here and everywhere.

I’m more concerned about the rash of irrational conclusions and future-seeing that seem to come out of any proposed legislation nowadays.

Say the word nuclear or reactor in any local government planning meeting and the constituents will fight like holy hell to make sure it gets shot down. You could offer them free electricity for life and it won’t matter. Nobody wants to live near anything nuclear. The nuclear plant closest to me has had several incidents in the last 6 months and people are up in arms. It will take a long time without incident and a lot of educating to change people’s minds.

Right, it is the climate change activists who fight them! It is an interesting phenomenon. It must be what they consider to be renewable or nothing.

Yeah, the irony reminds me of a story a while back that the media tried to make into a big deal. It was about coal miners helping to push a dead electric car. The insinuation was that coal miners have suffered at the hands of the types of people who buy electric cars, and here they were helping them!

Truth is that coal miners only have a job because of the need to generate electricity. They should be heavily promoting immediate requirements for everyone to have an electric car. Over 90% of the coal mined is used to generate electricity. If I was a coal miner, I’d be hugging the driver of that car.

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What octane coal do you burn in your car, anthracite or bituminous? How many miles to the ton? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I like clean energy, less pollution etc. I don’t like virtue signaling and false solutions.

We’ll figure it out. Maybe. Russia may decide all of our fate

You really want to see something funny, the diesel truck guys call this “rolling coal” when they purposely make a bunch of black smoke. “Rolling Coal” would be better suited for when an electric car does something interesting.

Judge Dredd was a good film too! :rofl: