Change to Standards of Practice

Originally Posted By: gromicko
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2.7 H has been changed from:


H. A representative sampling of switches, receptacles, light fixtures, and ground circuit interrupters.

to read:

H. A representative sampling of switches, receptacles, light fixtures, and all ground circuit interrupters noticed.

http://www.nachi.org/sop.htm


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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Makes perfect sense.



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Originally Posted By: Blaine Wiley
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Sounds wimpy to me.


Originally Posted By: jstewart1
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makes sense to me too


Originally Posted By: lschmid
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For clarification: does it mean all GFCI’s or a sample of all noticed? I personally think all noticed should be checked.



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Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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I thought that changes were handled by Committee.


http://www.nachi.org/sopcommittee.htm

Have they weighed in on this?


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Originally Posted By: dedwards
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That doesn’t read right. Ive read it three or four times now and it still doesn’t read right. A sampling of “all” noticed? Im not smart enough to know exactly what that means


Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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We want all noticed GFCI’s to be checked. How would you word that?


Not all GFCI's. Not a sampling of GFCI's. but rather all GFCI's noticed.

Legal reasoning.


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Originally Posted By: Blaine Wiley
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All GFCI receptacles and circuit breakers found during the inspection.


Originally Posted By: rwills
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All visible and readily accessible GFCI outlets will be tested. icon_idea.gif



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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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That’s better.


Hold on, let me run it by counsel.

One of our guys just got in a pinch for missing a GFCI behind an appliance and in the past there has been a strong argument for testing all GFCI's so we're trying to correct both with one swipe.


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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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bwiley wrote:
All GFCI receptacles and circuit breakers found during the inspection.


"All GFCI protection found during the inspection is to be tested for operation."

Now, what happens when you test it and cannot find the reset?

"All GFCI protection found during the inspection is to be tested for operation with the GFCI's Test button."

Now, there is no risk of tripping another GFCI somewhere else off and not being able to find it.



Today the spa tub was protected by a GFCI "device" without a receptacle.

Regardless of what the GFCI protection is contained in (breaker, receptacle, device, whatever), the intent should be to test the GFCI "protection" for operation.


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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Nope.


Can't use "readily accessible" because it could still be "readily accessible" without us noticing it.

Prefer not to use "found" as it implies that we have a duty to "find."

Hold on...


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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Jerry, give me exact proposed wording. I’m sitting next to counsel.



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Originally Posted By: rwills
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Quote:
Can't use "readily accessible" because it could still be "readily accessible without us noticing it.


That's why I put VISIBLE and Readily Accessible. A GFCI behind an appliance is not readily accessible as we are not required to move such items.


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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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gromicko wrote:
Nope.

Can't use "readily accessible" because it could still be "readily accessible without us noticing it.

Prefer not to use "found" as it implies that we have a duty to "find."

Hold on...


Where did "readily accessible" come from??


Okay, this eliminates the "found".

"All GFCI's inspected are to be tested for operation of the GFCI protection circuit with the GFCI's Test button."


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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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But how do we protect the inspector who does not notice a visible GFCI and so does not test it?



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Originally Posted By: rwills
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Training! icon_biggrin.gif



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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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gromicko wrote:
But how do we protect the inspector who does not notice a visible GFCI and so does not test it?


Then he did not "inspect" it, and my wording includes all those he "inspects".


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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Modify Blaine’s: “Test all GFCI receptacles and circuit breakers found during the inspection.” by changing “found” to “noticed” and add GFCI adjective in front of “circuit breakers” to read:


"test all GFCI receptacle and GFCI circuit breakers noticed during the inspection"

I have approval on this end.


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