My respected colleagues, what do you think of these threads ?? Could you help me define? Thank you very much!
A good article;
https://inspectapedia.com/electric/Old-Fabric-Insulated-Electrical-Wire-ID.php
Plus there’s some other stuff going on in that panel…
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I saw that these wires don’t go through a circuit breaker… you mean that, correct Thomas?
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Ohhh wow, Jeffrey!! thank you very much for your effort!! It’s very clear!!!
The question that everybody wants to hear! this is cloth wire???
Not exactly. It is NMC.
Non-metallic cloth. No issue.
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So it’s not cloth wire…The electrician was right…
On a 4 point inspection I rated the electrical installation of this photo as Unsatisfactory. You agree?
I groan every time I hear that term being used.
I have never seen wire that was made out of cloth.
Now, the sheathing… that’s a whole 'nuther story.
Cloth Sheathed/Braided Non-Metallic Cable.
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It’s completely wrong there are several double tapped lugs only one cable per breaker or lug.
Are you a licensed home inspector?? No offense but you should at a minimum know that
Yes, I`m… You ask me this because you think the answer is too obvious?
I don’t want to discourage anyone from asking a question just do what you think is best… you are trained have confidence in yourself
You first. What are your credentials, other than a non-member guest to this MB?
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BTW… those are ‘Double Lugged’, NOT ‘Double Tapped’.
Yes, there is a difference!
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No, I would not call that unsatisfactory.
They still have the thermoplastic insulation. Not the type of wiring insurance is concerned about.
But if you label it as such, it will cause a nightmare for the buyer, because the insurance guy behind a desk has no idea what he is looking at
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Thank you Jeffrey, I consider your contribution to my topic very valuable. I believe everyone contributed to this.
I am very happy to belong to this group.
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You’re right, I even talked to the electrician and he told me that this double-lugged could be a surge protection. And he saw the photos I sent…I learned all of this…I noticed how my fellow inspectors here are concerned about helping…and the final result: the surge protector will be replaced and the electrical panel will be maintained.
Thank you very much my fellow inspectors.
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Good job in calling this out and passing it on to an electrician’s opinion. However, I do have questions about the doubles being a surge protector. If he has other info later, please pass it on.
Yes, I can almost guarantee that is a surge protector. I dont typically call this out on the 4 point, but I do call it out in my report to the buyer. Here is the narrative I use, albeit kind of long: (feel free to use)
Improper surge protector installation:
There is a lot of debate about how these are to be installed, but typically there are two types, with different manufacturer requirements:
Type 1 - Is to be installed between the transformer and the line side of the service (Meter)
Type 2 - Is to be installed on a dedicated two-pole breaker on the bus bars inside the panel.
-Neither one of these types are to be installed directly with the main service cables under one lug, (this is also called a double tap), or double tapped with any other breaker. Although fairly common, this is also a violation of the panel manufacturer’s requirements: The main lugs and breakers are typically not rated for two conductors under the same screw (double tap)
Recommend electrician evaluate and correct as needed.
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