Experience is Key in 2005 in NYS

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Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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With the law to require 100 hours of education and 40 hours of unpaid supervised inspections starting in 2006, is it permitted that fellow NACHI members help other members to gain assignments to meet the necessary 100 Inspections this year to be grandfathered. Not bogus inspections, but help NACHI members to get real orders from real clients for real inspections. With 120 days left, if a member is short by 5, 10 or 15 assignments, and they are part-time inspectors, is there any regulations that would prohibit a fellow member from networking with other NACHI members to help them to get their experience?


There has been much discussion about next year's education. I am only talking about those persons who are a few inspections short or may be short at the end of this year. Can fellow NACHI members work with them to help, or are there any regulations which restrict this.

For more information about Len Ungars Long Island Chapter's September Meeting go to www.linachi.org or e-mail Len Ungar at allaround@optonline.net Together, we can make great things happen for the entire NACHI membership in New York! No one should be left behind. That's what makes NACHI special The simple fact that NACHI is inclusive and wants people to succeed. Hat's off to Nick for his dedication!

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Bill,


I believe the spirit of the law is 100 inspections and 2 years in the business. This provision is echoed in another paragraph of the law. I do not believe that inspections within the past year (1) will qualify an individual. We will have to wait and see on that one.

And, lets be clear about one thing here, the law requires that a person would have needed to be actively engaged in the practice within those years. Performing 600 inspections 5 years ago, and not being active wont cut it.

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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

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Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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I will await the state’s determination on each and every question I have submitted to them and to the Governors Office of Regulatory Reform. Regarding these specific questions, it is prudent to see what the state has to say.


Have a great day

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Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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Joe:


Do you know for a fact that inspectors must show proof of 24 months of experience (as you stated 2 years) or is your opinion? If you have specific knowledge and anything in writing to confirm this, I would appreciate a copy. I know Rob O’Connor would also. I definitely know Len would as well.


You can send it to Len and I am sure he will make sure that we get it.
allaround@optonline.net

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Bill,


I believ e "within the past 2 years" will be interpreted as 2 years as a active inspector. That is the spirit by which it was crafted, as a level of grandfathering. It makes no sense to set a level at 3 years and 250 inspections, and the next level interpreted as less than 2 years and 100 inspections, then take an exam.

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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Spoke to the DOS folks yesterday regarding the specific question of 100 inspections and how many years of experience.


When we had spoken to the folks who crafted the actual legislation (Assemblywoman Johns staff), it was clear that the INTENT of the clause in question was a timeline of at least 2 years in business and 100 inspections performed. This was to be the benchmark of if you were in business for, say three years, were part time, and hadnt performed 250 inspections to get grandfathered. The intent was to create a second level of experience for those who didnt make the quantity cut, but had been in business.

Hence the 2-year timeline and 100 inspections. The added requirement for taking a state approved exam was created.

As there is some ambiguity over this, the DOS has since decided (possibly for now) to enforce the letter of the law, as written, which is more loosely crafted than the stated intent.

As such,, as of 3:30 pm yesterday, 100 inspection WITHIN 2-years in the industry, will be considered eligible for the 2nd tier of grandfathering. That means that if you open your doors today, and perform 100 inspections by year end, you will simply need to take an exam. I truly do not believe this was the intent of the legislation, and still believe that, at the end of the day, this may not be how it is ultimately interpreted.

I could always be wrong, but having watched this develop over the past 2 years, still feel that more discussion is likely at the State level.

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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

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Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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Think about what you just said in the context of licensing.


You want NACHI members to Prove 2 years experience. Even though the state is giving members a break, and stating 100 inspections within 2 years is fine.

If your interpretation, which is not the interpretation of the state came to pass, a member with 18 months experience would be XXXXXX out of luck. Is that fair.

Now a new person entering the business needs to take a 100 hour approved educational program and then work for a Licensed home inspector or engineer for 1 week (40 hours) and they can become licensed, but the person with 18 months is precluded.

I am sure you a a nice guy, and someone who thinks about membership, but this will HURT the NY Members. Do you really want to tell many of the members that you don't want them to be able to become licensed because you feel the intent of the law was 2 years?

As for previous misinformation you submitted, Nick has approved my efforts to start an educational chapter. Nick has approved the use of NACHI logos. Nick has approved my working with the state towards licensing.

Now it is no I who need to be up to speed of these things. I would never tell a hard working home inspector that he or she isn't qualified because they have under 2 years, but after 2006 all they need is to be with a licensed inspector 1 week and take extra courses.

I don't understand why you would wish to harm NACHI members with under 2 years experience, when the state has told me, other schools and now you that within 2 years means under 2 years is okay. Are youy going to attempt to have the state enforce 2 years and hurt members.

That would not be fair.

By the way, the September 1 Educational Chapter meeting went great. Over 60 attendees including speakers. A great time by all. With only 2 days until the holiday weekend, we probably would have had more attendees if it were in a typical week. Next meeting will prove this!!!

Again, I wish you much luck and success. I will still be working with Nick towards the benefit of NACHI Membership.

Bill Merrell- NACHI MEMBER and Metro NY Education Chapter Chair
Yes, this chapter does exist!!!

Let's make a deal. No personal attacks! You want lively conversation great, but attempting to cause my school or my reputation harm is uncalled for. I never questioned your loyalties or your qualifications.

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Bill,


You trist my words. If you bothered to review the proposed NYSAHI and ASHI legislative packages, you would have a clue what hurts inspectors.

As compared to those two bills, this bill is nirvhanna.

Let me ask you this: what are the requirements for appraisers to become licensed here in the state? Why dont you paint those who crafted and supported that bill as hurting members here in NY.

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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

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Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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If you really want to know the facts about licensing for appraiser, I will explain. The law was scheduled to go into effect July 1, 1991. It was postponed to 12-31-91 and then again to 12-31-92. IE- the law really started 1993 allowing all schools and those in the business to get their ducks in order to meet the education, experience and testing.


Their regs set forth within experience within 5 years, but the reality is 24 months of experience, not 5 years. See how within does not mean the same thing in NY State as 5 years.

I worked very hard in the law being recreated and postponed until every appraiser who wanted to be one, had the right to become one. Most did, some did not. Over the past 12 years the regulations have increased, the education has increased, the experience has increased, and the continuing education has increased, but each time there was a reasonable period of time 9 months to 1 year in which schools and those who desired a license had the right to ,meet the regs within the period in question... Fair...I think so!

Any further questions regarding Appraisers? Want to know about the Salesperson/Broker Changes in 1979, or the Real Estate Brokers that were allowed to become Mortgage broker in the early 90's. All changes that allowed a smooth transition.

I hope this helped to give you an understanding o the process the DOS typically does through in NY State.

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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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This is an interesting thread if you would like to learn more about Mr. Merrell.


http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?p=160813#160813

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Originally Posted By: bsmith
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Bill Smith


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Originally Posted By: aslimack
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Jim,


I think your underwears too tight.

Adam, A Plus

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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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bmerrell wrote:
I worked very hard in the law being recreated and postponed until every appraiser who wanted to be one, had the right to become one.

Want to know about the Salesperson/Broker Changes in 1979, or the Real Estate Brokers that were allowed to become Mortgage broker in the early 90's. All changes that allowed a smooth transition.

I hope this helped to give you an understanding o the process the DOS typically does through in NY State.



Very, very interesting, Mr. Merrell.

Would your very recent interest in the home inspection profession and law have anything to do with helping your database full of real estate appraisers find a job as a home inspector by taking your course? If so, it would certainly explain a lot of your activities and what you could gain by them.

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Home Inspection Services of Missouri
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"We're NACHI. Get over it."

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Originally Posted By: tallen
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This is better

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where , however, it now sits, making rude remarks.

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Originally Posted By: psabados
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Speaking of which.


Dr. Merrell, can you please tell us what University you received your Doctorate from again? I thought it was listed on your website, but amid your recent changes it appears to have been inadvertantly removed.

Thank you
Paul

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NACHI Vice President

NACHI Foundation, President

Convention Coordinator

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Originally Posted By: bsmith
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Bill Smith


www.SmithHomeInspection.com


“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.” A. Einstien

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Originally Posted By: psabados
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Quote:
Speaking of which.

Dr. Merrell, can you please tell us what University you received your Doctorate from again? I thought it was listed on your website, but amid your recent changes it appears to have been inadvertantly removed.

Thank you


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NACHI Vice President

NACHI Foundation, President

Convention Coordinator