Gee Barry I thought that was you?
Now I know it is a tough thread.
How did you determine that this is EIFS, rather than HCSS?
Barry the matter gets more complicated as it is connected mortared to a stone wall covering with lath which goes directly into the dirt if you saw my images and the foundations are totally covered .
I posted this for educational reasons and thought you were EDI trained to help both myself and the other members here with a specific comment on the particular situation rather than a “take more training” generic response as I thought you were well versed on stucco and EIFS systems.
Imagine if every question on the forum asked here had the reply “seek training” lol.
Thanks for posting anyway. Looking for more conversation however but perhaps guys are not comfortable on the public section as they may be afraid of giving a wrong answer and being embarrassed.
Bob,
I started a thread a while ago, to try and build upon the Stucco/EIFS discussions here on the MB, and Barry was one of the few people that bothered to participate and contribute. Jeff, Carl, and “The Meeker” were the others that I recall at the moment. There may have been one or two more… ONLY!
I can only assume no one else either has any knowledge to share, or just doesn’t give a crap. Pity.
Hi Jeff ,around here it is actually called Dryvit which is a brand name I know.
Sort of like calling a copier a Zerox machine back in the day.
I know from experience as the EIFS is basically a mesh over Styrofoam in so many words so it sounds very hollow and has a low density which can be told by a tap,plus there was some minute exposure not shown here as of yet…I did say more photos to come as I am the 300 picture guy remember.
This is a barrier system which should make any Inspector uncomfortable as once there is a opening the water has no where to go .
Here is a link that has a fast explanation (did not read the whole page)
http://www.ncrec.state.nc.us/bulletin/winter97bulletin/stucco.htm
excerpt…*But how do you tell if what appears to be stucco is really EIFS, so that you can make the necessary disclosure?
EIFS is relatively light, and sounds hollow when tapped…Real stucco is relatively heavy and feels and sounds solid when tapped.*
Just to help out anyone interested let me post also this link to the EIFS Industry site which includes install guides…http://www.eima.com/
Personally I would rather defer this to a trained specialist and bear in mind that just because I see a nice solid barrier does not mean I saw everything.
A trained specialist might take core samples ,remove electrical outlets,etc and in other words become invasive during observation.
With so little in Chicagoland other than commercial and retail property I defiantly defer after doing a walkaround looking for obvious issues.
Here is a shot showing the fiberglass mesh at a door location.
Thanks for posting as we should all be able to tell the difference between stucco and EIFS.
Time to visit Barry’s hangout at http://www.badstucco.com/index2.htm
[note] the styro pellets .
No problem.
I spoke with both you guys and perhaps my thread started wrong as a quiz.
Try to ask and be educational plus there is so much bitterness and lack of sharing here at times that if I held out a bone my hand might get bit.
When I come on here and deal with guys like L.D (you know who) it makes me think about not coming here anymore just as many others with lots to offer have done.
Will not be bullied however and give up to the barbarians.
It is all good.
I know of a subdivision in Naperville, IL. that had most of the homes covered with Dryvit. They are slowly getting new siding/veneers as they rot away. I know of one that was redone for $400,000 which included some interior renovations.
OK ,Linas do you know if EIFS barrier method is allowed in Chicago on residential?
you want me to answer differently, write my replies and let me approve them before posting ;~))
btw, you never did answer any of the questions i asked throughout this thread C’est la vie
I can’t see why not if it’s installed according to the manufacturers specs. The main problem was that the pollocks didn’t install a weep screed, they just glued the foam board to the plywood sheeting or Tyvek and slopped some mortar over it.
I was asking because there were no indicators in your photos. Once you have experienced the difference, there is no mistaking the two.
Exactly.
Sorry Jeff but I wanted to go one step at a time rather than dump 20 pictures into one post.
Just a little different method of getting into the conversation here I guess.
Sure you did not mean it aimed at me Barry but in your three posts I got out of it that us Yankees do not use the real thing and two posts that I should take a course which had a demeaning tone but this is a day for mis interpretations I suppose.
I doubt very many here other than a small handful of members are EDI qualified or specialists.
That is my point and was simply hoping for more than what you stated to help us all out as I look up to you as an expert.
How much of your knowledge you are willing to share is not up to me.
Thanks again.
I agree with you on that.
I had a friend whose Uncle installed most of the Dryvit in the area back in the nineties and am confidant in my abilities to tell the difference but never see much discussion on the subject here.
Personally I do not care for it as I have seen how easily it gets damages.
It is not sturdy and in a city you have lots of pedestrian traffic with kids that like to poke and prod everything combined with as Linas mention lack of installation skills by workers as this stuff must be put in perfectly.
We all know that water wins every time.
That is pretty much what they do in the mini malls isn’t it.
Sorry, Barry, but EIFS is NOT banned in Chicago. The Chicago code dept NEVER bans anything that is cheap for the builders to use (like single wythe Split Block). I see it all the time in new construction, sometimes with a drainage plane and sometimes not.
Here is yet more educational material that includes a test I have yet to take so if anyone does so before myself please let us know how it goes.http://continuingeducation.construction.com/article.php?L=233&C=732
amazing what can be done with stencils!
Very cool Carl.
If this EIFS stuff was not so problematic I would love to design a home using templates like that.
It sure fooled me on my initial walkup till I got close.
Only limit is creativity.
Alot of the issues with EIFS ,Stucco,Fauxstone are misplaced blame.
Such as
Below grade very easy to tell which one was there first the cladding or the final grade work/landscapeing.
Flashing, above windows,decks,roof wall intersections. The kickout flashing should be the first piece the roofer installs at the bottom af a rake. aka sloped roof wall intersection.
Improperly installed windows,moisture barrier usually done by the carpenters.
Until the window companys understand the importance of sill flashing that exits the water to the exterior of the cladding they will not stop leaking.
After all what does the definition of flashing say?
I am kinda bias anyway.
The city codes officials can not be sued and more often than not do not have a clue anyway.
Builders have money for the best lawyers, because they sure do not pay their subs ( well some are over paid for what they are doing) !!!
Lets not forget the miricales of science and tapeing the horizontal joints of the moisture barrier.
I like the warm feeling when I tuck my raincoat into my pants.
Lets build these mcmansions so tight that when the HVAC kicks on it sucks moisture thru the smallest of holes let alone the big ones.
I am off of my soap box now.