Originally Posted By: gbell This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I am sorry that none of you see the conflict of interest. This is a class sponsored by the foundation for all nachi members. That is great just what is needed.
I really did not see a problem until anyone that wanted to participate was directed to a private company website to register with them. This private company is owned by the director of the foundation and the director of the safe house. In my eyes that is a conflict of interest.
Since it appears that none of you have a problem with this I will not express my opinion anymore when it concerns NHITI and NACHI.
Originally Posted By: gjohnson This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Greg,
I really wasn't going to post on this, but feel that I have to.
First, the only thing that we are doing is using Internet HD space to host the class. There is not one dollar being exchanged anywhere.
Second, any other training company that offers online training could have done the same thing. However, there are not many out there that do HI Online training. If you feel that it is a conflict of interest because Dan and I own NHITI and run the foundation then I must direct you to look at every other non-profit in the country.
All non-profits are usually funding and given things by the members on their Board of Directors. For instance down here in Baltimore is the MD Science Center. It is a non-profit science museum. On the board of directors sits a guys who is the Vice President of Whiting and Turner a huge construction company.
When they wanted to redo the building and add a wing, Whiting and Turner did the work at no profit to themselves. However, the Science Center did promote WT. This is a common practive. Actually there are many books written about how to develop your board so that you can best maximize what you want to do and get the contributions you needed.
All NHITI did was contribute the web space for Joe T. to teach a Foundation Safety class to any NACHI member who wanted to take it. No money, no profit. Very little advertising to us. If you or the COE Comm has a problem with it then contact me.
The foundation will continue to strive thru support of people and businesses helping it a like.
What I don't get Greg, is that you balked because we started a for profit school. And then when we decided to offer a Free training class you balk. What is your motive.
If these classes continue to grow and people want to take them. Then I will take the time to install the school software on the Foundations Server space. Which I have donated to the Foundation.
-- Gary (Snicker's) Johnson - Free NACHOS
The NACHI Foundation
Executive Director
Originally Posted By: psabados This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Greg
So clicking a website, setting up a username to gain access to a seminar or education. Thats a conflict of interest. Then why on earth did you ever sign on to this BB. Had to do the same thing right?
And speaking of ETHIC's , why are you trying to create a scenario in the open forum and not taking this to the members only area upstairs.
Again, you have been asked to present the FACTS, not dribble. Whats your REAL BEEF here?
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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Is NHITI and The NACHI Foundation now the same? You guys keep pushing your private business in with NACHI.
If this is going to be the way you guys do things, Then I personally feel that you should not be the director of the Foundation and the Safe House Campaign. I think this is a major code of ethics violation. You seem to have a problem with keeping them separate. Just my opinion.
You are most certainly entitled to your opinion, but there is no COE violation here.
The NACHI Foundation is a separate not-for-profit entity. It works independently. It happens to include NACHI members, who run it.
NHITI is a separate, for-profit venture, between two NACHI members, and also independent of NACHI.
SafeHouse is a project, unto itself.
Joe Tedesco is an independent contractor, who has been retained by NACHI, and who conducts fee-paid training seminars.
The fact that all fell into place, and resulted in free training to NACHI members, is the bottom line, here.
If you ran a company, and someone asked you if they could utilize a capital asset for free, there is a possibility that you might want something in return. I dont even see that, here. NHITI has taken the lead, and offered disk space for the online course. They ask nothing in return. NHITI owners offered the resources, and they also happen to run SafeHouse and the Foundation. So what?
Yes, its their (NHITI's) server, and yes, participants must register. Dont want to participate? Dont register.
Last week you complained that NACHI members should get more free training. Well, here it is.
Again, IMO there is no foul here. However, if you feel there is, I suggest you make an official complaint, and referr to the specific portion of the NACHI COE, which you allege has been violated. Send your complaint to me, and I will forward it to the rest of the committee for review and comment. I do not vote on these matters, unless there is a tie. Be prepared to back up your allegations with some facts.
Thank you.
-- Joe Farsetta
Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."
Originally Posted By: gbell This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Joe
Thank you for taking the time to address my concern. You are right in that I don’t have to participate. I don’t have to donate any money to the foundation. If you say there is no problem then that is the way it is. I will politely go away and not stir the pot anymore.
I was not aware that NACHI didn't have the know how or the servers needed to provide the members training of this nature. I was under the impression that NACHI was the world leader in being a web based organization.
Originally Posted By: dfrend This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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I just did not realize that NACHI did not have the know how or the servers needed to provide the members training of this nature.
Who do you think NACHI is? NACHI is a unique organization, in that it is member driven. To me that is one of the best parts of NACHI. So NACHI is really you, me, John, Joe, Steve, Russell, and on and on...... So yes NACHI does have the know how and servers to provide this. We just did. Nick has said time and time again that we all are NACHI, not just him.
Originally Posted By: dfrend This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I am not going to argue this anymore, I am done defending myself. Your point was it was wrong for me to offer my resources for the benefit of NACHI. Actually since you want to indicate that offering my resources is a COE violation, I want to make sure everyone knows what the COE actually says is MY duty to NACHI as a member:
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The NACHI Inspector will strive to improve the Home Inspection Industry by sharing his/her lessons and/or experiences for the benefit of all. This does not preclude the Inspector from copyrighting or marketing his/her expertise to other Inspectors or the public in any manner permitted by law.
Feel free to interpret as you want. I am done defending my actions. If the COE Comm. tells me I am violating the COE by trying to keep NACHI members safe, then I will stop.
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Greg,
Thank you. If you wish to initiate a complaint, then do so.
Nick and Chris and our office staff are quite busy launching new websites, and improving our rankings. Legislative lobbying is underway. New chapters are forming at a rate of one per week. Our exam is being psychometrically audited and validated. Folks are doung stuff all over the place. So, while NACHI has the bandwidth and resources to store this on-line seminar, they may not have the actual time in which to do so. It's that simple. In the mean time, NHITI has offered up some resources. That was nice of them. To state that there is more to it is a stretch.
That being said, be well and do what you feel best with regard to this matter.
-- Joe Farsetta
Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."
Originally Posted By: dbush This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Greg, while I appreciate your concern of ensuring that we stay neutral of vendors; NHITI graciously volunteered the use of their internet server with the classroom log in and the programs that are needed to run such an environment, to include real time chat capability on their education forum. The 3 gentlemen involved, Dan, Gary and Joe all are on the foundation committee in various positions. The foundation is the one sponsoring this seminar, at no cost to anyone.
Joe has volunteered his time and knowledge to facilitate the seminar and NHITI has volunteered the use of their computer server with their existing software to host and conduct their seminar so that NACHI does not have to reinvent, reinstall and rebuild all of it.
I do thank you for watching out for NACHI. These guys just graciously volunteered to help.
Originally Posted By: jpope This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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Is NHITI and The NACHI Foundation now the same? You guys keep pushing your private business in with NACHI.
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I really did not see a problem until anyone that wanted to participate was directed to a private company website to register with them.
NACHI participates with many vendors to provided resources and benefits to its members. NHITI, The NACHI Foundation and Safe House are all separate entities (as previously mentioned) not necessarily endorsed by NACHI, but certainly not boycotted by NACHI.
Many of the Vendors/Companies that offer services to our members, have used our board to announce their offer(s). This does not automatically imply endorsement by NACHI. In fact, there have been many times where our board has been used to "advertise" services that were/are completely unsolicited.
The fact that this was posted in a forum open to the public, shows the integrity of those involved. Besides the fact that the seminar is free, it is offered to "Home Inspectors," not just "NACHI Inspectors."
I see no conflict. As a COE committee member, I will be glad to review any formal complaint directed to the committee regarding this matter.
-- Jeff Pope
JPI Home Inspection Service
"At JPI, we'll help you look better"
(661) 212-0738
Originally Posted By: jstevens This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
hey guys 2 things i think its great you are makein a on line class for us and yes i want to join in 2i also dont see a conflict here so lets get goin on the class if there are more please let me know thanks jimps i signed up at your web site and didnt have a plobem with that
Originally Posted By: gbell This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Joe and Dave
Thank you for taking the time to share your opinions with me.
Daniel and Gary
You have my apologies for any trouble or disrespect you have felt from me voicing my concern.
Only time will tell me if my concerns are warranted or not. For everyone's benefit I hope that I am way off base. If time proves me wrong I will be the first to admit that I made a mistake.
To everyone that made this free training available I thank you.
I went to Joe's class today and was able to spend some time one on one with him on the train ride after. He is a very knowledgeable person and a great asset for NACHI.
Originally Posted By: jtedesco This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
gbell wrote:
Joe and Dave
Thank you for taking the time to share your opinions with me.
Daniel and Gary
You have my apologies for any trouble or disrespect you have felt from me voicing my concern.
Only time will tell me if my concerns are warranted or not. For everyone's benefit I hope that I am way off base. If time proves me wrong I will be the first to admit that I made a mistake.
To everyone that made this free training available I thank you.
I went to Joe's class today and was able to spend some time one on one with him on the train ride after. He is a very knowledgeable person and a great asset for NACHI.
Hi Greg:
Thank you for understanding, and for deciding to take advantage of the free training. I was happy to hear that you also took my previous suggestions related to personal protective equipment, and wear safety glasses and gloves while inspecting electrical systems because of some of the images I posted.
I will look for you over on the "Free Electrical Safety Training Site" and will also look forward to hearing of any situations that can be discussed where your experiences as a Home Inspector included anything related to electrical hazards.
Welcome!
PS: I will also look forward to tagging along during one of your inspections to see if we can find the same electrical hazards or deficiencies. Please let me know if you have any questions.
Originally Posted By: dfrend This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Just a friendly reminder (bump). Joe we have 19 people signed up, so hope you are ready. Anyone that is interested, maybe we can get Joe to do an online warmup session one evening just so everyone can get the hang of how it will run.
Originally Posted By: jtedesco This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
dfrend wrote:
Just a friendly reminder (bump). Joe we have 19 people signed up, so hope you are ready. Anyone that is interested, maybe we can get Joe to do an online warmup session one evening just so everyone can get the hang of how it will run.
