Getting sued? NACHI to the rescue.

Originally Posted By: gromicko
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NACHI recently hired research attorneys in all states and provinces to research case law regarding home inspection lawsuits. NACHI is compiling a packet for each state/province. Each packet will contain all the legal history and rulings that could help your attorney defend you in court. These packets should be ready for distribution by fall afterwhich attorneys for members involved in legal action can request an up to date legal support packet from NACHI at no charge.



Nick Gromicko


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Originally Posted By: tallen
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icon_biggrin.gif That could come in handy, but I sure hope not!!


Thanks Nick.


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Originally Posted By: lkage
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Thanks Nick.


Hope it's not needed but could be interesting reading even so.


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Originally Posted By: aleleika
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icon_biggrin.gif Nick, Yet another great support tool that NACHI offers. Thank You! icon_biggrin.gif



A. Dan Leleika


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Originally Posted By: wdecker
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Nick;


Could I order a couple of those? I have two friends who are lawyers and they are very intrested (as am I. One of them represents me!).

BTW: Is there any hope for legal action, here in Illinois, to see if we can get the ASHI packed State Homs Inspector board to be a little more ameanable to approving NACHI sponsored CE courses here. Seems like they, just as a matter of course, disapprpve courses submitted under the NACHI CE license here. I am told that ASHI wants to retain a strangle hold over home inspector CE courses in Illinois as a cash cow.

Thanks;


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Will Decker
Decker Home Services
Skokie, IL 60076
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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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Will,


If you think you have proof that these folks are acting in the manner of which you described, you can file a complaint against them with the Federal Trade Commission each time they take such action. These complaints are costly to defend against and, sooner or later, they will have no choice but to stop.


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Originally Posted By: wdecker
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Jim;


I have no 'proof', I am somewhat new to the issue.

Joe Tedesco has submitted his electrical seminar for their approval and it is pending. Would you say that their rejection of it (I assume that it has been approved by other state licnesing authorities) is de facto evidence.

Ken Denski, of our Chapter has submitted a course, much like Ted's and was rejected (something about to many refernces to NEC?).

You have to remember the strangle hold that the other group has on this state. Their headquarters is only 10 miles from where I live and all the CE courses in Illinois are, at least in part, sponsered by them. They see CE revenues as a cash flow issue.

I will stay on this and have already contacted a lawyer friend of mine for advice.

Thanks;


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Will Decker
Decker Home Services
Skokie, IL 60076
wjd@DeckerHomeServices.com

Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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William is correct. Despite Joe Tedesco having more credentials than anyone in the electrical business, the ASHI controlled Advisory Board turned down his course yesterday.



Nick Gromicko


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Originally Posted By: aleleika
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Will,


I think you might be jumping the gun on your statements on the Illinois Advisory Board.

Illinois Home Inspector Advisory Board:
The Illinois Home Inspector Advisory Board (IHIAB) is comprised of seven appointed by the
Commissioner. The IHIAB advises the Office of Banks and Real Estate on matters of licensing and
education of home inspectors and makes recommendations to the Commissioner on disciplinary
matters that require a formal evidentiary hearing.
The Commissioner appoints IHIAB board members, with due consideration to recommendations of
the home inspector and real estate industries: 225 ILCS 458/25-10

Public Members:


Harry Kudesh, Chicago ............................................................................................ 01/01/2006
--Assistant Jury Administrator, Circuit Court of Cook County
--Former Director, North River Commission


Real Estate Broker Member:

Rita Starkey, Chicago Heights ................................................................................. 01/01/2007
--Real Estate Broker, ReMax South Suburban
--Member, Governmental Affairs and Professional Standards Committees, IAR
--Member, Chicago Heights Fair Housing Committee and Planning and Zoning Committee


Home Inspector Members:

Robert L. Claus, Oswego .......................................................................................... 01/01/2007
--Vice President of Operations and Technical Services, The BrickKicker Company
--President, Northern Illinois Chapter of ASHI
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Jack Fehlandt, Streamwood ...................................................................................... 01/01/2007
--Home Inspector and Owner, Mr. Perfection, Inc.
--Member, ASHI and Society of Professional Real Estate Inspectors


Dana L. Strumpher, Springfield ............................................................................... 01/01/2006
--Home Inspector and Owner, Amerispec Home Inspection Service
--Affiliate Member, Capital Area Association of Realtors
--Chairman, Public Relations Committee and Chapter Representative, ASHI Council of
Representatives


Frank C. Johnson, Jr., Antioch ................................................................................. 01/01/2007
--Home Inspector and Owner, The BrickKicker Company
--Instructor, continuing education for home inspectors, IAR


Allan Monat, Northbrook ......................................................................................... 01/01/2006
--Owner, Metro Real Estate Inspections
--Instructor, continuing education for home inspectors, IAR
--Member, NAHI

Four out of Seven Belong to ASHI, yes that is a majority but not out of the ordinary, especialy when you take into account of ASHI's presence when this board was being formed...as you see....some of the ASHI board members are Home Inspection company owners like ourselves. And we belong to an association like thay do. In fact some of Our (NACHI) members belong to both if not three associations. Personnally I only belong to NACHI.( ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif) ).

The board members have public monthly meetings that are posted on OBRE's web site. Plus they have to answer to the commisioner of OBRE, who is not affiliated to any HI company or Association.

As far as CE approved courses, take a look at:

http://www.obre.state.il.us/realest/HICEProviders.htm

There are currently 23 approved providers...and ASHI is only one of them. The rest are independents and other associations...in fact one is ITA which has been a sponsor here at NACHI.

I really don't think we need to have conspiracy theories unless we can substantiate them.

my nickels worth!


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A. Dan Leleika
www.a-teamhomeinspections.com

Originally Posted By: aleleika
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gromicko wrote:
William is correct. Despite Joe Tedesco having more credentials than anyone in the electrical business, the ASHI controlled Advisory Board turned down his course yesterday.


Did Joe submit the course outline as requested?

Did they give reasons for denial?

If so what can be done to resubmit?

Also If we want to have different members on the advisory board in Illinois, then we can possibly do that with a campaign of different candidates to the Commissioner for when these current members term expires and he has to appoint new ones. I do believe you can't serve more than one term according to the legislation.


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A. Dan Leleika
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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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gromicko wrote:
William is correct. Despite Joe Tedesco having more credentials than anyone in the electrical business, the ASHI controlled Advisory Board turned down his course yesterday.


Did they go on record as to "why" it was turned down?


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Originally Posted By: wdecker
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Dan;


Don't get me wrong. I am not claiming a conspriancy. Just investigating.

Notce that NACHI is not listed there, even though I am told that NACHI (National) is an approve state instructor entity.

Why can't we het a course approved. I have atended some of the CE courses given by those listed and almost every one was a joke! easier than my original course by a GREAT measure. Real boring snoozers.

I want some courses where I can actually LEARN something.


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Will Decker
Decker Home Services
Skokie, IL 60076
wjd@DeckerHomeServices.com

Originally Posted By: dbowers
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Well you’re right. Most of them are ASHI guys, such as the ITA people. What I found amazing is although there are a few out of state providers - compared to most other states with HI regulation, there are only a VERY few approved out of Illinois providers.


Originally Posted By: aleleika
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Yes Will, I agree with you totally on learning…I myself don’t want to just do the classes because we have to…I want to actually learn when taking CE’s…and I want better ones than that offered.


What I think we need to do is be better informed at what goes on at the board meetings and to get more unbiased members appointed to this board when the current ones expire. I think We as proffessionals can do that if we get involved at the front lines ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)


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A. Dan Leleika
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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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All I’m saying is the board which is ASHI controlled (4 of 7 are ASHI) turned down our Joe Tedesco. Make of that what you like.



Nick Gromicko


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Originally Posted By: aleleika
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Nick,


Don't get me wrong...I'm on your side ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif) , But did they have reasons that we can fix then resubmit....let's not give up the fight!
That was only round one.


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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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gromicko wrote:
All I'm saying is the board which is ASHI controlled (4 of 7 are ASHI) turned down our Joe Tedesco. Make of that what you like.


This is ridiculous. Does Illinois have an ethics review board for its state run departments, like Missouri has? These people should be reported.

Maybe there is a "Marty Griffin"-like muckraking reporter in Illinois that could make a story out of this. If ASHI members do not represent a majority of Illinois home inspectors, should it run the board?


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Originally Posted By: wdecker
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I woulder if we could contact Home Inspector University (first on the list) and see if they would list NACHI as one of the sponsers?


The list ASHI and NAHI as sponsers and promote that the courses are good not only for state credit, but also for ASHI and NAHI credit. Could we contact them and see if they would also list these course for NACHI credit?

If they refues and we can document it, it would maybe add to the evidenciary pile?

Maybe we should also contact the other in state providers and see the same thing.

Also note that there are two STATE ASHI chapters that are approved providers, but NATIONAL NACHI is not listed.


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Will Decker
Decker Home Services
Skokie, IL 60076
wjd@DeckerHomeServices.com

Originally Posted By: wdecker
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Jim;


Poinmt taken. But remember that we have to have EVIDENCE.

I will be forwarding this thread to a local lawyer friend of mine. He has EXTENSIVE experience with the media as well as the law.


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Will Decker
Decker Home Services
Skokie, IL 60076
wjd@DeckerHomeServices.com

Originally Posted By: kdemski
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NACHI’s application to become a CE Provider in Illinois has been accepted, but will not be listed among the existing Providers until we have a course approved.


The course I submitted, Joe Tedesco's Residential Wiring, was denied because "....The Board felt the course content placed too much emphasis on code and code applications...."

Subsequent to my submittal, Joe submitted another version. We're waiting for a reply from the State on his version.