Originally Posted By: jacaron
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Dennis missed us. We are blessed.
Dennis missed us. We are blessed.
Originally Posted By: mcyr
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Must have been an ASHI Inspector, Ha. Ha. Quote. (combination of 2x6 and 2x4 framing at the roof.) Well, where, what, and why,. ?
I have seen these over glorified reports from local inspection firms and took them apart like you would not believe. They can inspect, but all is facial, and don’t have the experience to go beneath the skin and realize how it was put together.
Marcel
Originally Posted By: jwortham
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John,
Looks like the report does a good job of informing the client. I hope this was just the summary however, and not the entire report.
I also doubt the house has 3 phase electrical. Perhaps he meant 3 WIRE?
What's your major disagreement with it?
Originally Posted By: gbell
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Hello John,
This is a good example of why we do not comment on the value of the property.
Other than that I am not really sure what you are looking for here.
I didn't know that we had copperheads in Florida. Is it just in the panhandle?
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Greg Bell
Bell Inspection Service
Originally Posted By: mcyr
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Hi Jeff;
That is what I meant, They would not know the difference between three-phase and single phase. Everything is facial and getting paid more than us. They must have a piece of paper that weighs more than ours. ha. ha..
Maybe even better, it was an ASHI member, with 250 inspections before he joined. I pity the consumer that paid him the $350+/-.
Marcel
Originally Posted By: jacaron
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Good day
Originally Posted By: vsantos
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He mentions his report is limited to a few areas so I think it’s a good report for what it is. Did he include photos of the twisted 2x4’s etc. in the attic?
As far a not mentioning any positive aspect of the home, why should he? The buyer knows the positive aspects, that's why he is considering purchasing the property. Our clients hire us to tell them what is wrong with the home, not what is right with it.
Also, the other inspection clearly has called you out as being negligent in stating you failed to disclose some issues that were present at the time of his inspection. Have you offered to return to the home and look over those items you supposedly missed? This way if you are right, you can prove it by taking photos and educating your client. If you are wrong, do you have e&o insurance to cover you in such a situation?
Originally Posted By: bsumpter
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Perhaps I missed it John, But why was the 2nd Inspector called in?
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Originally Posted By: tpope
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Can you post your full report John?
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Timothy Pope
www.craftsmaninspections.com
Austin, Tx Home Inspections
Originally Posted By: lewens
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Vince
I have to disagree with you. We, as home inspectors, have an obligation to reflect on all aspects of the home both good and bad. The potential buyers are going into the most important buying decision they have ever made and usually cannot see the forest for the trees. They only know that they like the home and can see themselves living in it and making it their “home”. They are essentially blind. If you and I don’t go in to the inspection with open eyes yes, but more so with an open mind I believe we are doing a disservice to our clients. The want to know what is wrong with the house yes, but they also want to know what is good about the house. If it has a new roof just installed do you say “roof is in good condition” or do you say “roof has been replaced within the last two months and the quality of the installation and product used will give you many years of trouble free service with regular maintenance and care”. Likewise is the furnace in good working order or is the furnace in good working order and appears to have been regularly serviced by qualified people in evidence by the inspection tags and repair log kept between the intake and exhaust plenums. Potential buyers want to here about the good stuff as well as the bad stuff. They want to know why they think they have made a good decision. If they have made a bad decision you will definitely let them know but if they have made a good one you should also point that out.
Just my 12.5 cents
Larry
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Originally Posted By: vsantos
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| Vince
I have to disagree with you. We, as home inspectors, have an obligation to reflect on all aspects of the home both good and bad. The potential buyers are going into the most important buying decision they have ever made and usually cannot see the forest for the trees. They only know that they like the home and can see themselves living in it and making it their "home". They are essentially blind. If you and I don't go in to the inspection with open eyes yes, but more so with an open mind I believe we are doing a disservice to our clients. The want to know what is wrong with the house yes, but they also want to know what is good about the house. If it has a new roof just installed do you say "roof is in good condition" or do you say "roof has been replaced within the last two months and the quality of the installation and product used will give you many years of trouble free service with regular maintenance and care". Likewise is the furnace in good working order or is the furnace in good working order and appears to have been regularly serviced by qualified people in evidence by the inspection tags and repair log kept between the intake and exhaust plenums. Potential buyers want to here about the good stuff as well as the bad stuff. They want to know why they think they have made a good decision. If they have made a bad decision you will definitely let them know but if they have made a good one you should also point that out. Just my 12.5 cents Larry |
Perhaps you misunderstood or I did not make myself clear. I don't mean we should not point out the roof is new etc. What I mean is we should not have to point out the positive aspect such as that hard wood floor you like or the pretty color wallpaper in the bathroom.
Originally Posted By: jacaron
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good day
Originally Posted By: mcyr
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Hi Vince, hope you are fine.
What Larry is trying to tell you is the fact that Home Inspections should reflect the good the bad and the ugly. Remember Clint Eastwood?
Most people are investing in a life long term investment, and are required by the professionals to educated them as may be required, while the Home Inspection is being done. This extra time of yours will pay back ten fold. The negative side of the inspection should always be deterred as much as possible, meaning that some items need attention, and/or repair.
The real estate agents like the checkbox report because it is not narrative and explanatory in detail, and makes their job easier to pawn off the property. I do not care if the real estate broker dose not get the sale because I tell it the way it is and no further explanation should be given.
We are working for the potential buyer and the only thing they will remember is the Home Inspector that was their to protect their best interest. When this is done in a Politically correct situation, all will work fine for all parties.
Most home builders can be criticized to the limit and if you are in a small town, this could hurt your businesses.
Do not take this comment negatively, for I am only trying to help.
Marcel
Originally Posted By: vsantos
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I don’t know about the house but I sure want to move to Lynn Haven now
Originally Posted By: dandersen
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Like a$$ holes, everyone has an opinion.
The opinion I make about a roof for example, is not what a professional roofer has. My concern is if it leaks, not how long it will last. Predicting the 2-3 year life was not SOP.
You need to get back into the property before anything is repaired and look at the issues. Do they exist? Maybe you missed something, we all do every day.
As for discussing just the bad stuff. I report what I see, how it will effect the client if it's bad and how it can be remedied. Our business is based on what is wrong. Building Code is for "violations", not saying what a nice house it is.
The more you talk about the house where you don't need to, the more trouble you will get into. Who says it's a nice house?
If the house electrical is updated, state that. It's part of reporting. Added supports in the crawlspace, is this good or bad? It could be because the house is falling in, or it is just to make a good thing better or because of "change of use" (adding a tile floor, or a water bed...)
I have had more trouble reporting good things than bad.
Taking about good things makes lawyers think and opens you up for "playing down" the condition of the house. They will be accusing you of sleeping with the RE Agent next!
I belive every house should be put in perspective.
You can not expect the same thing from a 1900 constructed house as a new construction house. When I get one of these old houses, I ask the client what their plans are with the house. Last week I asked my client if he was related to Bob Vila, because he was going to need Norm Abrams to get the house in shape. He had tools, and currently is living in a "construction site". Fine, now report accordingly. I even write this in the report.
My current suit concerns first time buyers who are (who's lawyer is) acting like the house should be as perfect as a 2 yr old house. They can't afford that. The house caught fire during re-inspection. They still purchased the house (for the school system I heard)! I'm accused of playing down the issues (see my post "Do you use color?).
The more good I reported, the deeper s&!t I'd be in today!
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| to prevent a shot down of the serviced water |
Next lets talk about one thing you posted versus what you posted of the other inspector...
I read from the other inspector ACTUAL defects that were noted...in your report what I read is your ability to "pad" the condition within the "story". Do you have a report that is designed by systems? What I mean is do you have sections like: Structure, Roofing, Attic, Exterior, Interior, Major Appliances, Etc..?
If so then is what you posted simply the narrative regarding your inspection of those sections?
Here are just a couple of examples of what I am talking about:
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| It must be noted that roof structures often contain hidden defects and that if this is a cause of concern, a state of Florida licensed roofing contractor should be brought in, to further assess the condition of the roof. However, it was noted that the roof structure appears to be solid and in good condition. |
1. It must be noted...
--------| What MUST BE NOTED? Did you mean SHOULD BE CONSIDERED?
2. "if this is a cause of concern"
--------| Again, is what a "cause of concern"? You are the "expert"...is there a cause for concern? If so then what is it?
3. "a state of Florida licensed roofing contractor should be brought in, to further assess the condition of the roof."
--------| Assess what concern?
4. "However, it was noted that the roof structure appears to be solid and in good condition."
--------| So then, there is no concern and I should not need to have any further expense to see that there is no concerns, right?
5. What type of roof is it?
? Shingles (type)
? Tile (type)
? Approx Age (some do this other don't)
? Concerns?
6. Is there an attic? Did you go into it? What is the roof supported by (I see the other inspector noted it, did you)?
7. Is the attic insulated?
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| It is apparent that the property has gone through a few renovations, maintaining the structural integrity and design of the original structure. The large hip style roof area in this house is quite impressive. However, it is normal in houses of this age (+/-32 years) a minor wave pattern in some areas throughout the large front surface of the roof. Age, time, wear, settlement and sagging of the sheathing can cause this phenomenon during the years. |
8. It is apparent that the property has gone through a few renovations, maintaining the structural integrity and design of the original structure."
--------| Is that your PROFESSIONAL opinion? As a structural engineer or what type of experience are you basing the "maintaining the structural integrity" comment on?
9. The large hip style roof area in this house is quite impressive.
--------| That's nice 
10. However, it is normal in houses of this age (+/-32 years) a minor wave pattern in some areas throughout the large front surface of the roof. Age, time, wear, settlement and sagging of the sheathing can cause this phenomenon during the years.
--------| OK? So what are they to understand...is this a "problem? here or not? Do they have this "wave" thing?
11. "it is normal in houses of this age (+/-32 years)"
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| Consideration should be given to the following:
1. The large roof surface is quite impressive. During...however, this house offers a tremendous opportunity to increase the energy efficient characteristics of the home...In general, the roof appears to be in good condition. |
12. I guess they don't have any problems related to the shingles, trusses, or other components of the roof. So they should not need further review, correct? But that is not what the other inspector noted...he said:
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...These shingles have dried and cracked, loosing a large portion of their rock granule cover. If left on the roof, theses shingles will need to be replaced within the next 2-3 years. Roof leaks are present on the Northwest valley, the Southwest valley, the chimney flashing and at the basketball goal attachment to the home on the South side of the property. All roof leaks have caused moisture damage to the roof decking in their respective locations. All damaged decking and shingles in these areas should be removed and replaced...The roof ventilation is incredibly inadequate for the size of this roof. This lack of ventilation has caused the roof trusses to bow and twist, and caused some delamination, of several sections of the roof decking. The areas of the roof decking that have bowed are at risk for holding water and causing further damage to the home. (Evidence of reverse heat flow is present at the interior exhaust fans of the home in the form of dust and debris along the ceiling.) |
John, I would think that you should head the recommendation of David and go back!
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| SHOULD I TAKE MY CLIENT TO THE CORT TO GET PAY?? |
CORT?
Shouldn't you first take care of determining IF you possibly missed some things...after all, those items listed by the "other inspector" are not small concerns, but instead they point to multiple concerns that are in many cases very costly.
You stated:
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| It is the opinion of HOMEINSPECTORUSA, LLC that the subject property in general, appears to be in good condition. |
Hmmm, might want to consider that statement.
John, I believe that Vince may have tried to guide you gently with the "Have you offered to return to the home and look over those items you supposedly missed? This way if you are right, you can prove it by taking photos and educating your client. If you are wrong, do you have e&o insurance to cover you in such a situation?"...GET TO THE HOUSE AND SEE FOR YOURSELF...TAKE PICTURES...IF POSSIBLE TAKE ANOTHER INSPECTOR.
One last thing John:
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| This inspection will be stored in our database for 30 days after issued, thereafter will be discarded. |
I am not sure here...but I would rethink this if I were you! I keep all my inspections, as well as any scratch pad notes, drawings, etc...period! I believe that when they become a PROBLEM in 10 to 15 years, I MIGHT move then to a storage unit...but not discard them....just my opinion!
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hgordon@fl.nachi.org
Originally Posted By: jacaron
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good day
Originally Posted By: hgordon
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John, would you consider emailing me the report?
I would be willing to look at it from the perspective of this incident.
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Harvey Gordon
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hgordon@fl.nachi.org
Originally Posted By: jacaron
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good day