I have time and time again. But I live up north. I didn’t say IF he missed it, I said if he approved it.
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I think that I may have enough now for internet stalking.
Wait and another one came in just now.
Definitely internet stalking.
Well you are in Ohio.
https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-2903.211
(D) As used in this section:
(1) “Pattern of conduct” means two or more actions or incidents closely related in time, whether or not there has been a prior conviction based on any of those actions or incidents, or two or more actions or incidents closely related in time, whether or not there has been a prior conviction based on any of those actions or incidents, directed at one or more persons employed by or belonging to the same corporation, association, or other organization.
go ahead and jump skippy…Im not going anywhere…
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Jump.
I’m leaving because of your harassment.
“(4) Each continuing education course shall be open to all licensed home inspectors on an equal basis.”
A lot of Ohio home inspectors are going to love you now.
19 more days - then you get your wish
Mike, you’re entitled to your opinion. Stating that jamming two neutrals in a hole listed and tested for only one neutral is safe when almost everyone else here agrees that it’s not is just that your opinion. Hopefully no home inspectors will follow your advice and keep reporting “double taps” as defects. Over the years there have been many photos posted on this forum that show the dangers of installing more than one neutral in a hole. Why you continue to say that this practice is safe is beyond me. It’s a listing and code violation for a reason.
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Pop-Tarts!
It is a serious, potentially hazardous, condition. Loss of neutral is a common cause of fires and electrocutions, especially fires.
Do you have any idea how many fires have been caused by loss of neutral and Pop-Tarts?
Problems caused by double-tapped neutrals are rarely manifested in panels. They are most often manifested in kitchens and dining rooms, but can be anywhere in the house.
The formula for power in a single-phase circuit is P = (V^2/R) Cosθ. For our purposes we will consider Cosθ (PF) to be unity. A 10 Ohm toaster at 120V is 1440W, but at 240V is 5760W. The temperature of a conductor rises with the Wattage, Pop-Tart fires are often traced back to the termination of neutral conductors in panels.
If you can find a sponsor, you should enroll in Ohio’s State Fire School fire investigation program. I went to State Fire School in both Ohio and Michigan after I already had more than 25 years in the electrical trades. It was a real eye-opener. The instructors are all very highly qualified and experienced investigators. I had a whole new perspective and appreciation for what we electrical professionals do after going through the Ohio and Michigan fire investigation programs.
One thing you will learn is that myth and reality rarely align. The insurance industry commissions investigations on fires even when they are not deemed to be suspicious. They do those investigations for statistical purposes. They have accurate data on every conceivable type of building failure and the causes.
Loss of neutral has been a topic of discussion at every fire investigation conference or seminar I’ve attended (I’ve attended a bunch of them). The reason is that it is a major cause of fires and one of the easiest to prevent.
I can tell you that when you investigate your first fire resulting in fatalities and trace it back to two grounded conductors mechanically connected together by pressure but loose from the terminal, it is a very humbling experience. You will gain a whole new appreciation for the importance of not ganging neutrals under a single screw.
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Really?
I had a panel just last week that had several neutral double taps, one of which was buzzing after I took off the dead front. (Good thing I took it off)
Put my thermal on it, and it had a pretty good heat signature
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That is almost a certainty. The discoloration is consistent with airborne contaminants interacting with the conductors. The likelihood of there being sufficient current on EGCs to cause discoloration, especially on multiple EGCs, is infinitesimally small.
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It definitely was not lightning. Nothing in the panel is consistent with lightning.
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