So are you saying that it is a “Risk” to a person when removing the panel cover?
I am not saying that - Schneider Electric does. I consider them to be experts on the subject. I also believe that their knowledge of electrical panels is second to none.
I am assuming an energized panel.
The installation IS compliant here in Ohio!
They do know a thing or two about electrical panels, grounding too Can two branch neutral wires ( or grounded conductors) be installed in the same neutral bar terminal(or under one screw) in a QO or HOMELINE load center? | Schneider Electric USA and they have something to say about how to land grounded conductors in their panels.
This is a great example of where a home inspector would document a deficiency that a code compliance inspector might not and he could do it without making any reference to code compliance. Though it would be really strange for the AHJ to say it’s OK to ignore the manufacturer’s directions for their listed equipment. But hey, if our resident non-member ESI and self proclaimed legal expert says it’s so it must be fact.
The fact that the installation isn’t compliant, would automatically make a defect, wouldn’t it?
The installation IS compliant here in Ohio!
Is it?
From the link chuck provided:
NO, The National Electrical Code (NEC) does NOT allow for this and the article in the current code would read something similar to this; “Each grounded conductor shall terminate within the panelboard in an individual terminal that is not also used for another conductor. Exception: Grounded conductors of circuits with parallel conductors shall be permitted to terminate in a single terminal if the terminal is identified for connection of more than one conductor.”
So, ‘code citing Chuck’ is an expert on the NEC and how it is applied in Ohio?
90.1 Purpose
(A) Practical Safeguarding. The purpose of this Code is the
practical safeguarding of persons and property from hazards
arising from the use of electricity. This Code is not intended as
a design specification or an instruction manual for untrained
persons.
I love how you guys pick and choose what part(s) of the NEC that you use.
What about?
Accessible, Readily (Readily Accessible).
Not only do you not try to avoid energized equipment, you go out of your way to be exposed to it!
Chuck and some others, have the ability to read and comprehend the English language. Others, …not so much…
I will no longer be responding to you as it is quite apparent, You are reading from a different script than the rest of us.
Sort of like, having sex with a porcupine, the porcupine is the only one who enjoys it!
Code aside, the manufacturer says it is wrong. How can that be compliant? Is it simply because there are no qualified inspectors?
Wrong is still wrong, whether you get caught or not.
Jim - I am not saying that you should not call it out. All I am saying is that it is a ‘code violation’. It is not a material defect. At least as defined by any source that I can find.
By the definition posted it is a material defect. It poses a safety risk which is why the code article addresses it.
Let me ask this. Do you call out a white wire on a breaker? If you do, please tell me the hazard. It is only an issue to someone without the training and skills to know what they are looking at. It will continue to operate for decades safely. The same cannot be said for two neutrals under one screw terminal.
I also do not see how you can use a code definition to define a term in a legislative document.
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“Sort of like, having sex with a porcupine, the porcupine is the only one who enjoys it!”
You have to use funnel Eric.
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Thanks Jim you proved my point. There is NOTHING that says that two grounded conductors under a single lug won’t work for years. It’s a code violation. NOT a material defect.
Who says that a white wire (re-identified) is a defect?
Just give it up dude. It’s becoming annoying.
My reply said it WAS a safety issue and that is why the manufacturer addressed it. Reading and comprehending are essential. I think you are missing something or just being obtuse.
Do you understand the difference between grounded and grounding?
But his opinions are facts… and he went to the meeting.
If Ohio implements an exam component to get a Home Inspector license, I suspect he won’t be calling himself a home inspector for long, because he doesn’t seem to know shiit about it.
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Seems that you do! Certified Septic System Inspector #111984
You got me there I don’t inspect other people’s crap. You are the shiit expert!
You can get your information about Ohio from Chuck in Texas or from the State of Ohio.
Maybe Chuck is smarter than the ICC and NFPA, Ohio uses these standards.
This isn’t internet training. This is training from the experts.
LOL! You presented us with your PARTICIPATION Award! 
Well bless your heart!
You do know that the real thing comes with a number associated, I hope. This was way back in 2007. I read the code book and sat for the exam, so I don’t have a participation award to show for it. All I got was a certification.
ICC Certified Residential Mechanical Code Inspector #5230842-M1
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Chuck, maybe we should look into this type of Award for the General Members of this Forum. A lot of members would qualify for that Award. I didn’t realize people got awards in Ohio just to participate. LOL
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Hey Now …
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Don’t worry, Jim, you’ll get one, if we do it… 
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