Home inspectors have issues with proposed CSA standard


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A draft of the new CSA A770 home inspection standard](http://publicreview.csa.ca/Home/Details/1368) recently released for public review has raised the ire of Canadian home inspectors who believe it will dramatically increase the cost of inspections and could potentially reduce consumer protection.
The new proposed standard specifies requirements for the physical inspection of homes and associated property, including single-family dwellings, manufactured homes, multi-residential buildings and condominium units. The review date for the standard began on Oct. 16 and ends on Dec. 15.
CSA Group](http://www.csagroup.org/) is an independent, not-for-profit membership association dedicated to safety, social good and sustainability. The CSA draft standard specifies new requirements for the physical inspection of homes and associated property. Its goal is to establish consistent requirements for home inspections nationally, help create common ground on current differences and provide a consistent platform for regulation.
“There is no national standard for home inspections, and home inspections do not follow one particular guideline,” said CSA Group corporate affairs manager Allison Hawkins. “There was a consensus among stakeholders that a national standard would provide a uniform guideline for all home inspections across Canada, helping to provide clarity in the industry.”
“The initial push for a neutral standard came from the Alberta government, who didn’t want to pick a winner from existing standards from multiple associations,” said Blaine Swan, president of the Canadian Association of Home & Property Inspectors (CAHPI)](http://www.cahpi.ca/).
But Alberta home inspectors who met earlier this month to discuss the CSA draft standard came to the conclusion cost increases arising from compliance with the proposed regulation and the possibility of home inspections taking one to two days to complete could “effectively cripple the industry as we know it.”
Alberta branch president not impressed
Alan Fisher, president of CAHPI’s Alberta branch, said the draft standard requires excessive time-consuming detail and includes unnecessary elements that may raise liability issues for inspectors.
Among the things Fisher said he has problems with are requirements to: measure the slope of concrete slab floors down to the millimetre; take covers off electrical panels and shut power off in houses; comment on whether trees on properties have pest infestation; test underground sprinkler systems; and document the make, model and serial number of every item inspected.
“A lot of inspectors have the training in some of these areas, but it’s about the liability attached to it when you’re dealing with somebody else’s property,” said Fisher. “And there’s a lot of time involved in doing this level of detail in our reporting.”
The extra hours needed to carry out this additional work will bring extra costs, and the Alberta inspectors claim those who most need an inspection may opt out of having one. A typical inspection now ranges in price from $400 to $600, but the Alberta inspectors believe the changes proposed in the CSA draft standard could easily triple those rates.
“A lot of first-time homebuyers may forgo having a home inspection because cash is tight during that time and they may decide that they don’t want to spend $1,500 or $2,000 on an inspection,” said Fisher.
Hawkins declined to address specific criticisms of the draft standard, but said: “CSA Group welcomes feedback on its standards to permit individuals and organizations materially affected to have an opportunity to participate in the development. This helps ensure the standard reflects the opinion of industry experts and other interested parties.”
Hawkins said the CSA Group developed the standard using an accredited, consensus-based process that utilized a technical committee with a balanced mix of “volunteer experts representing stakeholder groups including, but not limited to, regulators, insurance companies, educators, home inspectors and consumers.”
Insufficient representation by home inspectors
But Fisher believes there was insufficient representation by home inspectors on the committee, which he said had too many people who “don’t understand the intricacies of a home inspection.”
Swan calls Alberta “ground zero” for complaints about how the CSA draft standard could adversely affect inspectors and the real estate industry in general, but said, “There are similar concerns and resistance from CAHPI members nationally.”
“Negative impact at this point is speculative,” said Swan. “If an inspection takes longer and costs rise significantly, consumers will be less likely to be able to afford an inspection, real estate agents will be less likely to refer or tolerate long, drawn-out inspections, insurers will have to rewrite policies and likely raise fees.
“Talented and competent home inspectors may be less likely to enter or remain in the industry. Less inspections equals a reduction in the safety and quality of Canadian housing stock. Contracts will have to be rewritten and there has yet to be vetting by the courts. I’m sure there are other negatives that will come forward.”
Changes may be made to the draft before the standard is approved by CSA Group’s technical committee. The CSA A770 standard is scheduled for publication next summer.

Apparently she is not familiar with this document http://www.nationalhomeinspector.net…port4final.pdf

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Apparently she is not familiar with this document [

I would be very surprised if they all have not read that a few times .](“http://www.nationalhomeinspector.net…port4final.pdf”)

Here’s what really happened;

Two morons slapped this piece of s h I t together in a week and went on an all expenses paid vacation to the Vegas strip.

Thanks Stephen It would be great if you can bring us up to date and post more info .

.Have there been any restriction’s as to what info you can give us .

Thanks … Roy

Thanks Stephen It would be great if you can bring us up to date and post more info .

.Have there been any restriction’s as to what info you can give us .

Thanks … Roy

**They sound like to me to be another secret self appointed group. **

Strange how this industry in Canada gets so many secret self appointed secret groups who want to have control of our industry.

I can not see where any of the secret Self appointed groups have added any improvements to the Ontario Home Inspection industry.

They do not seem to have any improvements in their own groups .

I wish they would post any ideas they have to help our industry.

I was just being facetious Roy :slight_smile: The point was that little thought made from those with no idea of what a home inspection is, wrote this garbage.

The wrong people ( I believe) went into this situation from the beginning with nothing but dollar signs and notoriety in their minds. Now they are the same ones trying to fight CSA and this new, asinine and industry destroying SOP.

As Roy always says; “You reap what you sew”

My biggest concern is having all the “input” adapted based on a consensus model that will still allow stakeholders to force the adoption of inspecting systems beyond current expectations.

Here’s my list of a few inspection concerns:
5.2.7 Automatic irrigation systems
5.3.9 Detached storage buildings, garages, and barns
5.5.2 Grey water reuse supply
5.5.7 Grey water discharge systems
5.7.6 Pipe heat tracing
5.8.5 Emergency lighting
5.10 Barrier-free Equipment
5.10.1 Accessibility equipment
5.10.2 Accessible use
5.10.3 Alarm devices
5.11 Swimming Pools & Associated Mechanical
5.11.1 Pool area
5.11.2 Mechanical system

Thanks Claude looks to me they must not be listening to those in our industry .

That’s all Claude?

I got that far and could to even finish reading the darn thing.

Same here!


My review is based on a comparison check against several existing SOP’s. The ones I note in my earlier post are additional tasks that do not exist in the other SOPs.

Offering them as optional services is one thing, expecting them based on what consumers demand as part of a typical home inspection is another thing.

Here’s a quote from a CanLII website lawsuit - “Nevertheless, as Judge Stansfield noted in Brownjohn v. Ramsay, 2003 BCPC 2 (CanLII), home inspectors themselves are engaged in a high-risk business, because the inspector virtually invites reliance.”