Oh-oh, now you’re in trouble! 
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Kevin I cant believe You took the cover off of that service panel…I certainly hope You had the good judgement to look away quickly and not to comment on anything You might have observed while it was off…Obviously You have no shame man to scoff the authority like that…If they turn You into a frog and banish You from the state You only have Yourself to blame…You can’t say that You were not warned…
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It fell off by accident. 
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In Ohio that is not a serious hazard. That is not my opinion. That is what I have been told.
I think that it is FU and would say that it scares the hell out of me but it doesn’t meet the definition of serious hazard. Throw rocks at the state not me.
How many defects did you find? I found 2.
BTW it is code compliant with the defects. Chapter 34 OBC. They are not serious hazards.
It scares you, as a licensed code inspector, but it is not a serious hazard? How does that work?
Is a serious hazard something that comes after the fact? When the home is burned down?
Looks like they used 3 or 4 individual 14 Gauge conductors as the service neutral, and at least one is broken.
Also WAY undersized, but that is not a serious hazard?
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Not according to the state. That doesn’t mean that it is not a huge concern. I don’t make the definitions.
In an enforcement capacity I can’t say that. That is the Building Official’s job.
Serious hazard in a nut shell means that someone is going to get hurt or die in the next 5 minutes. A serious hazard allows the BO to act NOW and not have to wait.
As a private inspector I never say that because I have never seen anything that meets that standard. That high standard is left to BO’s in Ohio. Like it or not that is the law. That is why that language was added in the Canon of Ethics.
You think it’s FU! You think it is a serious issue! And yet you are doing nothing to sway Ohio Gubberment to change the definitions to include this as a serious issue? Yet you have time to scour WEB sites looking for Inspectors that you feel are breaking the law and taking time to file complaints and time to convince Ohio Gubberment officials to send Zeus out to strike them down?
A little hypocritical don’t you think!
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I’m not throwing rocks at you because of Ohio’s incongruent laws.
You’re bragging about turning in a home inspector and threatening to do it again because you claim, and you somehow convinced the OHIB, that a video titled “Electrical Inspections” is conclusive proof that an Ohio Inspector is performing code inspections and standalone electrical inspections. Your reason, because “he says that he is verifying proper wire size.” I’ve given you two examples of how verifying conductor size is, and you agreed, a safety issue, not just a code issue.
Ohio Home Inspectors are doing an invaluable service for home buyers based upon their education and experience, which is allowed by law. You posted this thread, using the inconsistencies of Ohio law, to make vile threats against them for your own self-serving purposes.
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There is an underlying issue with this individual. Though we cannot see the source, we see the symptoms. People crave power because they want attention and recognition and often lack control in their own lives. Possibly an overbearing spouse or a floundering career. In this case, he knows his constant battle for power is antisocial, so he tries to cover it up with “I’m really only trying to help”. Lying to himself and everyone around him, including those of us on this MB.
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You’re on track Richard
Most home inspectors will tell you that they are not code inspectors. That in and of itself should disqualify them from being recommended by you to your clients
Home inspectors are simply not qualified
Home Inspectors can’t do what Inspector Mike can
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Not bragging, defending my profession ‘in Ohio’.The rest of the country can do as they please. I don’t make comments about things are done in other states. That is none of my business yet InterNACHI members from other states attack me for following my states rules.
The state requires certification to perform certain acts. I achieved those. One has been in effect for 50 years. The other residential certifications have been around since 2006. I had those on the first day they became available because I follow the law regarding my business.
No other licensed home inspector has chosen to obtain these required certs. Is that my fault? No.
If you had attended any OHIB meeting you would have heard me, sworn in, saying (on more than one occasion) that I would help with the problems. It is a matter of public record.
Complaints were filed against me first for advertising that I was certified and others were not. That individual had to change his advertising as demanded by the Division.
Home inspectors, mostly ASHI, are saying that the can do what I do. That is a lie. I gave them 3 years to stop.
That’s the rub. The hide behind that yet they advertise that they inspect to code. There are many who do this. They are not in my market so why waste the time.
That is actually true.
Good inspectors do a good job. It is the ones who chose to go off the reservation and advertise services in violation of the law.
I hope that I did not agree that it was a safety issue. I see far more code violations than safety concerns.
These laws were on the books long before we had a home inspector law. Ohio limits what home inspectors can do. If you want to change that then do that. I had nothing to do with the law making process however I attended all rule making meetings.
At my request
“(T) A licensee shall inspect a propertys readily accessible components of the electrical system during a home inspection and report in the home inspection report the licensees findings related to all of the following:”
readily accessible was added.
ASHI members were there and objected because it was different than their SOP.
" (8) Licensees shall not represent a determination of compliance with Ohio residential, mechanical, plumbing, or electrical codes, specifically the existence of serious hazards as defined in rule 4101:8-2-01 of the Administrative Code. Licensees may recommend a client seek further evaluation and repair or remediation of suspected safety hazards by a certified or licensed professional. Such recommendations shall be in the home inspection report."
Was added when I asked the OBBS to address the subject of code inspections and give their input to the OHIB. This was to help new inspectors understand the limitations of their licence. I knew Ohio law was confusing and I thought that addressing this subject would help inspectors from violating Ohio law.
From the comments in this post it would appear that addition was highly needed.
Don’t like the facts - attack the messenger.
Why not let me discuss Ohio issues with Ohio inspectors and worry about your business in your state? This does not affect you and your rude comments keep me and other Ohio home inspectors from having a civil conversation about our state’s rules. Ohio home inspectors could learn the rules if you out of state people would mine your own business. I would bet the that Ohio forum was created specifically for those of us who live here.
You call me a trouble maker yet you involve yourself in a discussion on Ohio law and have shown you ignorance of it. I have offered to help every Ohio home inspector that I have met. I don’t have to do that but I do.
I will continue to post relevant information for Ohio home inspectors. I am asking if you don’t live here to refrain from spreading falsehoods that could endanger newly license home inspectors. Mentor someone in your state where you know the rules and leave Ohio to me.
Thank you
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Simply put. I do not wish to.
I can read. There is a discussion about interpretation of the law. It appears you have interpreted the term “electrical inspection” is defined by law to have only one definition. A code inspection.
You presented the video and a letter as evidence to this.
However, the video is not the evidence presented in the letter.
See below, an excerpt from the letter you provided.
Where is the enclosure?
So, your entire pretense is misrepresented in my opinion and your supplied “evidence” is not relative.
(interestingly, the video has not been removed. I would suspect the HI would remove the video if it were the subject of a violation of state law).
I think it is fair to ask to the same from you.
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Since by your own admission you don’t do Home Inspections why do you keep offering your opinion about something you know nothing about? You need to join a forum that just does CODE inspections. Here’s a good place for you to go:
…or will that be too advanced for you?
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Mike,
Checking the SOP I see the comment you pasted above in “T”.
However #8 under T that you posted above is not listed in the SOP (dated 02/25/2020) that the division has on their website.
Are you privy to change in the SOP that we are not aware of, or a change that the State failed to inform us of.
Or I might be looking in the wrong place.
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I agree. MP also indicated somewhere above that OHIB determined this alleged activity was “illegal”. A government agency cannot deem activity illegal, that’s for the judicial system to decide. Did the inspector even have a mediation hearing as required by law? Probably not.
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Yes. Good point. In fact, the letter was very polite and helpful. And the letter did mention there may be future consequences the HI should consider. But nothing mentioned about illegal behavior.
I would still like to see the actual advertisement. I am certain that it exists and would be very helpful to Ohio members to fully understand when a line is crossed.
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Thanks Brian, I thought it would be in the SOP
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