Jeff Barnes says "InterNACHI will be recognized in Kansas or no association will be."

General Inspection Topics Legislation, Licensing, Ethics & Legal Issues
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Please post my “prediction” that NACHI would not be accepted. I recall that I said that there was (and still is) a movement among some to see that Barnes’ dog, Molly, does not qualify for a license in Kansas by virtue of her membership in NACHI. That is not a prediction.

Additionally, NACHI’s recognition as an association is meaningful only to you. Inspectors in Kansas that I have spoken with don’t care what happens to NACHI. This is your cash register that rings or doesn’t ring…not theirs.

You are naive to think that NACHI membership is coveted to the degree that … after paying to take and pass the NHIE to get their license and being immediately qualified for membership in ASHI and NAHI…that any significant number of inspectors are going to flock to the local community college to take another test just to participate in 3% of your “benefits”.

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Huh? Why would they need to go to a community college to join InterNACHI?

Where do you get this stuff?

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Does NACHI require a written exam to become a member? You know…where their identification is verified, a written signature on the test sheet, stuff like that?

The Kansas Law defines an association as one that requires a “written” test for its members.

Are you going to argue that a keyboard of unknown origin qualifies?

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Jim asks:

Yes, in states that require it.

Read #6 in www.nachi.org/membership.htm and then #1.10 in www.nachi.org/code_of_ethics.htm

We require the passing of a proctored exam, on top of InterNACHI’s membership requirements, in every state that requires a proctored exam. Always have. Read the links above.

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…so, what was the point of your question?

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I was wondering why you thought members would have to attend a community college to join InterNACHI. They don’t. Here are our requirements: www.nachi.org/memebership.htm

And now that we have more evidence to support my contention that InterNACHI will be an approved association, and since everyone in Kansas has to join an association by Law anyway… I of course highly recommend InterNACHI. :smiley:

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Never mind.

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I think this will sum it up for all:

Kansas is defining what constitutes a home inspector association. One of the proposed requirements that Jeff Barnes sent to the ASHI membership was that an association’s membership requirement was to pass a “written” exam.

Since ASHI does not require passing of the NHIE for membership (the law does not distinguish between provisional, associate, junior, or full members), as one can join with an application and a check.

Where Nick is confusing things is that the COE has no bearing on the question, as it deals with requiring members to comply with state law. As such, if a state requires a written or proctored exam for licensure, then NACHI does as well, for membership.

The SOLE question goes to consistency in membership requirements. So, this means that the COE has NO BEARING on an answer to this basic question:

DOES NACHI REQUIRE TAKING AND PASSING A WRITTEN/PROCTORED EXAM AS A MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENT?

The answer is a resounding NO.

However, and here is where the answer pertains DIRECTLY to the Kansas bill:

NEITHER DOES ASHI

So, as a defining requirement for recognition as a Home Inspection Association, this issue fails to float for members or either association.

THE ISSUE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PASSING A RECOGNIZED EXAM FOR LICENSURE, BUT ONLY PERTAINS TO WHAT CONSTITUTES A RECOGNIZED HOME INSPECTION ORGANIZATION.

In this regard, both ASHI and NACHI lose.

I do not think Barnes can beat us up over this, unless the law is amended to state “full member” or something like that.

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Thanks, Joe.

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ASHI doesn’t require passing of the NHIE exam, but in Illinois you can’t become a home inspector without passing the exam first. So, if an inspector wanted to become an ASHI member, technically, he must pass the exam.

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Of course. Hence 1.10 of www.nachi.org/code_of_ethics.htm

And abiding by InterNACHI’s Code of Ethics, including 1.10, is a membership requirement as per #6 of www.nachi.org/membership.htm

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Two thoughts. NAHI’s CRI / State Exam is psychopathically validated same as NHIE and many ASHI / NAHI members that have taken both say its more real world than NHIE.

I’m guessing that on the initial go round that the President of the Kansas Home Inspectors Commission (Jeff Barnes) will accept several tests and several sets of SOP to get everyone on Board. The nut cutting will take place 6 months or a year down the road like in Arkansas.

2nd thought. It is with sorrow that we learned that Noel Zak has left OR is leaving the EBPHI. Shes been a real trooper.

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Erol -

To clarif the stuff - AS all of us that belong to ASHI know, as of the last name changes in ASHI - everyone that joins ASHI whose check or credit card clears the bank is an ASHI member of some kind.

If you want to be a **Certifried **member of some type you got to NHIE.

BUT, I can be an ASHI member of some type by just sending money

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This from Dan Bowers, respected long-time ASHI member and former ASHI Board member:

And Joe Farsetta complains when I call ASHI a diploma mill.

If the shoe fits…

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Nick,

Dont put words in my mouth, thank you.

My response was directed at Jim’s question, and the two of you going back and forth regarding whether NACHI requires a written/proctored exam for membership.

It does not.

The question goes to consistency,whereas, we only require proctored versions when the state where the inspector resides requires it for licensing.

So, in effect, our COE has no bearing on the issue.

My point is, and PLEASE do NOT bring our COE into it, because is has absolutely no relevance to the question, that to say we require a proctored exam would mean that we ALWAYS require a proctored exam, with no exceptions. We do not.

And neither does ASHI. And THAT is the real point.

So, if the ASHI guys decide that in order to be a “recognized HI association” in Kansas, that association would need to require taking a proctored exam a condition of membership, they would invalidate themselves.

Yes, indeed… Since ASHI does not, they would be in the same boat as NACHI.

If they followed this path, they would shoot themselves in the a$$, because their foot would be in their mouth.

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Joe, in a sister thread when I stated matter of factly that I would be doing a Kansas City radio show on how to recognize inspectors who are members of known diploma mills you replied:

All I’m saying is that if the shoe fits, they should wear it. Even their own former board member said here on this thread:

I really don’t see the Kansas Licensing Board approving ASHI.

I have reporters all over this story and I just don’t see how an ASHI-biased board can possibly, with straight face, approve THEIR OWN known no-entrance-requirement diploma mill, thus harming consumers by illegally abusing their public positions for personal financial gain.

As it stands now, every Kansas inspector will have to join InterNACHI… by Law. ASHI members can keep their membership in ASHI if they really want to,… but it looks like they will be forced to join InterNACHI.

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Jim’s point was that if an inspector is rerquired by law to have taken and passed the NHIE to get a license, and that same inspector must pass the same NHIE for full membership in ASHI, that they will not be a member of both associations, just one: ASHI

We can have a higher benchmark, but it will cme down to available dollars in a shrinking market.

Although we may like to think that InterNACHI membership will be mandatory, we all know that this will never be allowed to happen, just like we’d never allow the pendulum to swing the other way… toward an ASHI-exclusive requirement.

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Jim is wrong. He needs a calculator. Passing the NHIE doesn’t change either ASHI’s or InterNACHI’s application fee or membership dues.

As you say

In every state that adopted the “everyone passes” NHIE… inspectors choose InterNACHI over ASHI by some margin.

After passing the “everyone passes” NHIE or whatever exam or exams Kansas ends up adopting… the inspector must then join an association and pay ADDITIONALLY to join that association by Law.

InterNACHI will likely be an approved association, cost less to join, and provide many benefits.

ASHI will likely not be an approved association, cost more to join, and provide nearly no benefits.

Remember, most inspectors in Kansas are independent and have chosen to belong to NO association. The Kansas Law has changed that and the independents now must choose.

This will help them choose: www.nachi.org/success.htm

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What is this statement based on, especially if ASHI members dominate the licensing board?

I seriously doubt that there is ANY doubt as to which association will absolutely be approved (ASHI).

Hopefully, we’ll all be approved on the same day.

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You answered your question in your question. They can’t use their public position to approve THEIR OWN “just send ASHI cash and shazam!” diploma mill association. I’ve advised a Kansas investigative reporter to form her own “no requirements whatsoever” association (just like ASHI) and submit it for approval if they actually approve ASHI. If they approve ASHI, they’d have to approve every bogus diploma mill. Ain’t gonna happen. No one wants that much bad press. Besides, most of the members of the board are not even inspectors and will not do anything anti-consumer.

I told you all last month, InterNACHI will have 300 members in Kansas this time next year… many of them ASHI members.