Kickout flashing needed???

Is this enough roof area to be concerned about the lack of kickout flashing?

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In my area I would say yes Joe. Because if the water overshoots that it will be heading right for the lower window and shutter, and then possibly freeze.
In your area, the water itself could be enough to cause problems. I would say yeah, can’t hurt.

I’d be more concerned with all of the water that will be pouring out of the 2nd level downspout. It is hard to be sure viewing only this pic. but it looks like it doesn’t need to be there and will cause more harm than good.

The downspout is from an upper gutter and needs to be there. However, the gutter installation is poor. Even with a kick-out or other diverter, the volume of water from the upper roof could be too much for the lower gutter. I see these kinds of installations a lot when doing condominiums. The problem is that the architect should have considered the roof drainage when designing the roofs. But, they often do not particularly for complex roofs.

One of those things that I check during home inspections are water stains on the gutters. If they are present, then you know the gutters probably have had a chronic overflow problem. You can also verify that finding by verifying whether soil erosion is present below that area. The location of the water stains along the gutter can also tell you what kind of problem might be present. For example, stains near a downspout could indicate a plugged downspout. Those along the middle could indicate an improperly sloped gutter. Those along the bottom back edge of the gutter could indicate water flow between the gutter and fascia. I think you get the idea.

I have come to believe that gutter and downspout design is as much an art as science. The problem is that not a lot of both seem to be present in the industry. The design is often left up to the installer, and the installer is worried more about getting in the low bid than making sure the design is right. I wonder how many actually know about the design equations that are available on-line.

You mostly see kickouts on an exterior cladding, not brick, unlike other materials such as vinyl siding, stucco, hardboard siding etc, brick is going to have a 1/2 - 1 inch space between it and the wall sheathing; any moisture that collects on the inside will run down over a moisture barrier and make its way through weep holes, obviously there are concerns when you have a design whereby the roof is dumping water directly against the brick itself; this configuration is not one of them.
The area that is of greater concern would be the area between the fascia and brick wall…the picture does not provide enough info.

I would have looked at how they step flashed the bottom including behind the side of the gutter paying particular attention to the first step flashing before making the call.

In regards to the gutter if there is another down spout to the left of of picture it too would be fine… without seeing the pitch and the amount of surface area the gutters are collecting, it would be premature to say for sure.

Did you walk the roof and if so, do you have any better pictures.


Yes it does.

Would it be safe to say that the brick layer did the job


No diverter would normally be installed in this type of construction.
If the brick hasn’t been sealed, it won’t be anyworse than the driven rain on the rest of the brick facade’:slight_smile:

I do agree with the gutter, it should have been in the corner with the discharge run down to the lower gutter if prevent roof shingle erosion and staining.

More on kickout flashing.

Agree with Marcel.

Not typically needed because there is nothing to “kick out”.

see if page 10 is helpful…

With the Bob’s kickout diverter’s you can also keep the gutter out away from the wall.

I have seen several around here where the roofer was on the job before the bricklayer and roofed all the way to the wall sheathing, then the bricklayer laid the brick right on the roof.

Backwards arse huh!:slight_smile:

Good point.

Does anyone feel a “kick out” is needed on brick veneer if it has proper flashing ?

Is this a proper KICKOUT flashing for stucco?

Is that duct tape (loose)?:shock::smiley:

Yes Marcel.

Buck, it might be better than nothing.

It is not the proper kickout! Would you call it out!!


After thinking about it, I might call a lack of kick-out. I have seen this arrangement before and what usually happens is that water runs between the gutter and brick. If the area is on a shady side and you are in a location with decent rains, algae could eventually grow on the brick or water stains could develop. I would also not trust that the drainage plane behind the brick was properly installed with a weather barrier covering the sheathing. One other thing I would be concerned about is whether the roof flashing was terminated properly so that water did not lap under it and reach the roof deck.

Kickout needed here?