Light switch within 3 feet of shower

Originally Posted By: jgallant
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I’m reviewing my copy of the “1 & 2 Family Dwelling Electrical Systems” now, but can anyone tell me what the rules are concerning the proximity of wall mounted light switches to showers and tubs. I thought a rule (NEC?) existed prohibiting wall mounted (fan, heater or light) switches from existing within 3 feet of a tub or shower enclosure. This to discourage wet people from operating 110v switches.



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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Hi Jim,


I know you are basically correct, I am not near my NEC tonight but If I remember correctly the distance from tub or shower to switch is actually 5 feet.

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Gerry


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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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No distance. Just not inside the shower “area”.


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Originally Posted By: dvalley
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The NEC doesn?t specify a distance, but all switches that control bathroom lighting should be installed at the entrance to the bathroom. Why would someone need a switch near the shower anyways? DUH





There's only one switch that can be near water and that is the jacuzzi on-off switch. That particular switch is protected against water hazards.


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Originally Posted By: Bob Badger
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dvalley wrote:
Why would someone need a switch near the shower anyways?


I have had to place them near the tub when the bathrooms where small.

Did not want to, but that was what the plans showed. ![icon_sad.gif](upload://nMBtKsE7kuDHGvTX96IWpBt1rTb.gif)


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Originally Posted By: roconnor
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It is still considered better practice to place all switches and receptacles at least 3’ away from a tub or shower, and thats probably what you are thinking about … icon_idea.gif


Gerry ... I believe you are thinking about the 5' clearance rule for switches and outlets related to outdoor pools and spas (IRC E4103.2) ...


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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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dvalley wrote:
The NEC doesn?t specify a distance, but all switches that control bathroom lighting should be installed at the entrance to the bathroom. Why would someone need a switch near the shower anyways? DUH


Because, DUH, you may have a tub on the left of the door, the lavatory straight ahead, and the water closet to the right. You walk in, the switch is near the shower - but not IN the shower or tub area. All depends on which way the door opens. The switch COULD have been on the right if the door opened the other way.


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Originally Posted By: dvalley
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Originally Posted By: jgallant
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The bathroom in question for me had two sinks with the shower adjacent to one of the sinks. A switch was installed for each of two light fixtures over the sinks (his n’ hers). One of the switches was right next to the edge of the shower enclosure. It wasn’t IN the shower enclosure, but inches from the edge. New construction too.


I'm not sensing a consensus on this.


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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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jgallant wrote:
I'm not sensing a consensus on this.


Code does not say not to put it there.


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Originally Posted By: ekartal
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The only thing I could find was that a receptacle is required within 3’ of basin. IRC [381.6].


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Originally Posted By: Bob Badger
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jpeck wrote:
jgallant wrote:
I'm not sensing a consensus on this.


Code does not say not to put it there.



I agree, the NEC allows the switch right next to the shower, the graphic above is correct.


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Originally Posted By: dvalley
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Jim,


Slide the curtain or shower door closed, if the light switch is inside this wet area, it's a "red flag".

Pretty simple, no tape measure required.![](upload://2ubpHK3yn8KBPErH5FUvdHPsrJn.gif)


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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Dave


I love your Emoticons.

I have a four gang just outside of my master bath shower, which I wired, and see no problem with this.

I doubt if my wife will reach from the shower to the switch to turn off the light above her.

That said, this circuit IS GFCI protected.

Mike P.


Originally Posted By: roconnor
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Robert O’Connor, PE


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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Robert


Are giving me another 90.4 loophole? ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif)

Mike P.