Originally Posted By: jkormos
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Thanks John
Thanks John
Originally Posted By: Jay Moge
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the major problem that should be called out is the vertical flashing. it essential re-introduces the very problem the cricket is supposed to solve. when water runs between the ridges of the roof it is allowed to pool against that flashing and hold there until it dries, leaving all the litter. without the flashing water and debris can flow over and off the sides of the cricket and down to the drainage system. the tar also slows down this process. I’d write it in the report, mention that it could shorten the life of the seam and suggest they have it fixed at there nearest convenience. no huge hurry though.
Originally Posted By: rcooke
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| the major problem that should be called out is the vertical flashing. it essential re-introduces the very problem the cricket is supposed to solve. when water runs between the ridges of the roof it is allowed to pool against that flashing and hold there until it dries, leaving all the litter. without the flashing water and debris can flow over and off the sides of the cricket and down to the drainage system. the tar also slows down this process. I'd write it in the report, mention that it could shorten the life of the seam and suggest they have it fixed at there nearest convenience. no huge hurry though. |
No way would I ever suggest there is no hurry.
Tar does not stick metal to mortar well.
It is not a case of will it leak but when will it leak.
You can be sure as soon as you say no hurry tomorrow it will leak.
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Originally Posted By: Jay Moge
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the jinx factor is always one step behind every word we say, that’s true, plus one has to wonder why there is so much tar in the first place.
.Originally Posted By: dandersen
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| This is a little neater but still has roof compound in the joint. |
This one causes me more concern than the first!
This house is in LA? Low slope roof. No snow load.
I bet those pine needles aren't there today, is the house still there?
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I agree.
It may not be the way you want it on your house, but there are many ways to get the job done.
Noting the condition of the tar seems valid, and as R Ray would write " Cricket is non-standard construction, recommend regular homeowner monitoring and maintenance".
What are you guys recommending? That it be rebuilt?
All these other non-related posts of "potential conditions" are safety concerns and must be identified. Is this cricket a safety concern?
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And who is going to pay for this guy to come in and say "looks like it's not leaking to be, or better yet, sell them a whole new roof!
Every time you recommend further evaluation (to get the monkey off your back) you are creating an expense to the seller, and a reason for the buyer to back out of the deal. If you come inspect my house and pull that, I'll get my roofer friend down the road to come up here and say it's O.K. and I'll be collecting your E&O! Just food for thought.
You wonder why Realtors do what you hear about on these boards.
It's from stuff like this.
Where is the defect? Maybe the cricket is too low for some standard (CODE Enforcement ?????). But does it work (meaning, does it prevent water intrusion through the roof)?
Is it weathered or deteriorating? That's a maintenance issue, is it not? Future system failure (which we do not report on).
Originally Posted By: rcooke
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Sorry I disagree . The cricket is wrong it should be repaired .
Yes I do tell them it is not a case of will it leak but when will it leak.
Incorrect sealant was used . To low a cricket .
I do not tell them how to fix it but it must be fixed .
Same thing with bald tires you know there is going to be a flat .
I do not tell you what size of tires to get or what make .
Go to a tire expert to see what type of tire is needed .
Further evaluation by Qualified person.
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Originally Posted By: thejnicki
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I would look at it like this, the tar is not a professional install why assume the liability… You can let you client know it’s does not appear proffessional but also does not appear to be leaking at time of inspection. I try hard not to be an alarmists… verbage baby verbage…
Originally Posted By: dandersen
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| Yes I do tell them it is not a case of will it leak but when will it leak. |
What model crystal ball is it your using? 
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But it's not flat today!
Just tell them the tire on the roof is bald but not flat. .
Originally Posted By: rcooke
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What model crystal ball is it your using? 
But it's not flat today! Just tell them the tire on the roof is bald but not flat. . |
So bald tires are OK and bad crickets do not need fixing .
Sorry I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
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Originally Posted By: dandersen
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I spent several hours on the phone today on three phone calls (I didn’t go to work today to save gas
) explaining to a home owner and two RE Agents why their repairmen could not find the problems in my report."Why are you reporting these things, we can't find them".
(22% voltage drop under 15 amp load. Electrician was trying to find it with a volt meter)
"That was not a code requirement when the house was built" (last year).
(Flex duct through the garage firewall).
And what code was that, that was not around last year? I'm not the code man!
"What overheated breaker? (204 degrees F)
It wasn't hot when I put my wet finger on it!
I spend too much time on the phone on things that "are" broke. Things that are about to go boom that the "alleged experts" can't find with a digital photograph in hand! I don't need to start predicting failure that may happen, that has not happened yet.
Are the houses you inspect so good that you have to start predicting failure?
It is your prerogative not to agree.
I am not trying to change your mind.
Just offer another perspective.
Every issue I discussed on the phone today was agreed by the caller to be a legitimate problem that should be addressed, once they could find someone that could fix it, after they find it.
I don't know how you find the time to convince owners to fix stuff that isn't broken yet.
Is it no wonder that Realtors associations are backing licensing and control of HI's when Inspectors keep playing Chicken Little, running around yelling that the sky is falling!
Originally Posted By: mcyr
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Dave, please, if you see something wrong with this picture, listen to all the guys behind you in this forum, you might learn something.
To begin with, the first post indicated a saddle or cricket that was done totally wrong. The covering should have matched the roof material is one, the pitch is another and actual installation is another.
Your comment as to there are many ways to get the job done is half correct.
Their is your way and the right way, and in my case since I still work for a Commercial Contractor as a Superintendent, Their is my way or the Highway.
Their are a lot of guys an girls out there that have knowledge and experience that came from time. Take my suggestion, (listen and you shall learn)
Bottom line as a NACHI inspector looking at this cricket or saddle.
The cricket behind the fireplace chimney appears to be inadequate in construction and should be evaluated by a qualified roofing contractor.
The installation shows potential for leakage problems in the future.
End of story. That is as far as you are constituted to do as per the SOP.
Thank you.
PS. I am starting to sound like my boss 30 years ago. ha. ha.
Have a good day.
Marcel
Originally Posted By: jwortham
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| If you come inspect my house and pull that, I'll get my roofer friend down the road to come up here and say it's O.K. and I'll be collecting your E&O! Just food for thought. |
Collecting on my E&O for what? For me telling you of a possible issue?
Good luck. Where was the error or the omission? Just because you can get someone to say I was wrong, doesn't mean you're going to be collecting on my insurance.
If I don't tell you of a possible issue, and it becomes one, then you might have a case. But telling you to get something checked out is not negligent on my part at all.