Michigan home inspector licensing meeting on July 23, 2008.

Nick is right, in this regard.

Although he, as other vendors, intends to profit from it ---- NACHI has members on both sides of the licensing issue.

NACHI could be of greater service to help us fight the issue if Nick’s heart was really in it, but it is imprudent to count on it.

The most effective means of fighting a fight that will win against a licensing bill is at the grassroots, anyway. When NACHI selling a course, NHIE selling a test, or ASHI selling its agenda approach legislators…they all look alike. Voters who take up sides on local issues are assured a voice…but you have to act early.

In Kansas last year, the used house salesmen pushing the bill were actually aided by home inspectors who chose to remain silent out of fear of losing their source of referrals. Taking a stand on these issues, locally, takes courage.

Proponents of licensing will try to make it look like it is “inevitable” or anything else they can say or do just to keep people quiet. If you want to upset their apple cart, don’t be afraid to make a lot of noise and let your legislator’s know you are out there.

Jim writes

Funny how out of all the literally free one’s in http://www.nachi.org/tnconted2008.htm you find one where we recoup a small portion of our costs. Makes me look suspiciously at all your posts as that distortion took energy and deliberate effort on your part (no accidental mistake).

Joe Farsetta charges for his commercial and well sampler courses too… did you expect him not to recover his costs either? Do you know who subsidizes all of Joe’s course offerings so that members only pay $150 to take a $1,500.00 commercial course?

So far you look like a ding dong trying imply that InterNACHI is making a profit on education in lieu of www.nachi.org/inspectionexcellence.htm … but there is plenty more thread for you to post away on and see if you can get out of the ding dong category.

And as for your other ding dong accusation that I’m doing nothing about licensing in Michigan (the topic of this thread), you might want to scroll down on http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/cfr/contrib_anls.cgi and type in my last name. As I’ve said, I’ve been all over this since 2004 and I’m on so many donor lists now that no legislator submits an inspection Bill without calling me first. Legislators even call me about infection legislation just because infection rhymes with inspection :wink: .

So…you are saying that I have highlighted the one and the only video course submitted by NACHI Tv for licensing that will ever have a fee attached to it and that, as we speak, there are no other NACHI Tv pay-per-view video courses before any licensing boards being considered for approval.

Is that what you are saying? For the record?

Michael Bazzo,

I am not trying to demonize Nick or NACHI for profiting from licensing. Why shouldn’t he do what ASHI does with its NHIE test and ITT/Kaplan courses.

My point is that your earlier reliance upon NACHI to fight legislation, as you pointed out, had a disappointing result. IMO, it always will. NACHI is not any more likely to kill its golden goose than ASHI is.

Jim, I sure as hell hope not! The day each and every course provider offers each and every course for free is the day we have no more continuing education options.

InterNACHI just happens to be the only one that is able to do it for totally free or at a loss, depending on what course you want.

Either way though… whether you are at last year’s convention enjoying 7 classrooms (tracks) for 3 days of education for a grand total of $99, or taking Joe’s commercial course for $150, or taking one of our pay per view courses, or taking one of our many free, state-approved, online courses, you will find them to be the best value for of all your continuing education choices.

No argument from me.

But you are on the record as providing education for profit to licensed states and, as such, are profiting financially from home inspector licensing laws. This is the point I was making that you dramatically took exception to.

Not every inspector is cheapskate Jim.

Some only want the courses that are the least expensive, so we provide plenty of free online courses. Some only want classroom courses with a live teacher, so we provide those. Some want expensive-to-produce video courses, so we provide those.

Uh, where do you see a profit? Every online course InterNACHI offers is free. Everything a side vendor like Joe Farsetta or John Mckenna offers is subsidized by InterNACHI. NACHI.TV’s production costs are about $450 a minute and most all of NACHI.TV’s episodes are free. The very few that aren’t are there as an option along side all the free and subsidized offerings. Have you ever read www.nachi.org/inspectionexcellence.htm ?

I’m lost. If you see a profit center here, let me know, because I sure don’t.

Earlier in this thread, Nick…when a man was asking for NACHI’s assistance in fighting an unwanted licensing law that was being jammed down his throat…

…you came skipping and singing and whistling that all is well and none should worry for, when the dust settled and the smoke cleared, there would be NACHI providing “free” CEUs that inspectors could take in their “Pajamas”.

Don’t suddenly turn “quality” on me, Nick, in the middle of the same thread.:smiley:

Gerry Beaumont has analyzed this several times on this message board and has demonstrated that with all the free and reasonably priced CE InterNACHI offers, we deliver more CE hours per dollar than any other source including other associations and schools.

C’mon, Nick. It can’t be infomercial time, already…

Micheal Bazzo wants help fighting the Michigan law…not a video on how to change flashlight batteries he can watch in his pajamas.

Can NACHI help him, or not?

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Not just me but for every inspector in this state. Why is our voice not being heard? the “other” guys have committees dealing with licensing. why are we the silent one on this front? we have members who have the ability to go in front of legislators and make our position known.

The “other” guys are taking part with the many national associations that push licensing bills. Opposing these bills is a relatively new phenomena.

It was the mantra that licensing is inevitable…lulling most into a quiet stupor.

As state by state fell to the NAR agenda of licensing…and the harm that it does became easire to see…more and more opposed, but we do not have a national voice.

National associations…instead of opposing it…position themselves to gain financially by it, if it happens and do nothing to stop it, pretending to be neutral. Business is business, I guess.

Even ASHI who pushes it (to sell the NHIE and ITT courses) lies to its members and pretends to be neutral…but helps fund those chapters willing to hire lobbyists to fight for a bill.

You saw how productive your cry for help to NACHI leadership was, didn’t you? LOL

Politics is ugly.

Jim writes:

Really. Since I’m now suspicious of the truthfulness of your posts, let me look back on page 1 and see who came skipping in with the education crap…

Post #1 started by ME is titled Michigan Home Inspector Licensing meeting on July 23, 2008 and has a link to http://www.nachi.org/milicensing2008.htm a link that clearly opposes licensing and no mention of education.

Post #2 is Jason Sieg asking for a copy of the licensing Bill, no mention of education again.

Post #3 is Brian MacNeish quoting a portion of the Bill, no mention of education yet.

Post #4 is Micahael Bazzo talking about how licensing triples the number of inspectors, etc, and still no mention of education yet.

Post #5 is Jim Bushart, first to bring up a false accusation of profiting via “advanced courses.” The first mention of education in the entire thread.

There ya go.

Now after that…

Post #6 I reply to Michael about licensing, no mention of education.

Post #7 I show that MichAHI joined me in opposition, no mention of education again.

Now that facts are that when, as you say, “licensing was being jammed down a member’s throat” it was you that brought up profiting with education, not me. I only replied to a false accusation.

Here are the facts.

What have you done? You dragged in some B.S. off-topic accusation about profiting from CE and leveled it on the one entity that provides more free CE than any other in the industry: www.nachi.org/inspectionexcellence.htm Me thinks you shouldn’t get your panties all bunched up every time you worry that some educator might have figured out a way to cover his costs… it’s plain weird.

Michael, don’t include the quotation marks silly :roll: . My last name doesn’t start witha a quotation mark. Just scroll down and put my name GROMICKO in the Contributors Last Name section of http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/cfr/contrib_anls.cgi

You may also want to look at the dates once you get there. How do you think all the legislation in the past 10 years is association neutral?

I didnt use quotes the search results placed them as you see it in my post

Michael writes

Yes but in contrast to my clear instructions, you also entered a state. Look at your own post. Why?

I just had 3 staffers type my last name into the Contributors Last Name field at http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/cfr/contrib_anls.cgi and not one had any trouble. You are entering a state for some odd reason, that wasn’t in my instructions. Why are you doing that? If you insist on entering a state for me, enter Pennsylvania.

You are right. I did introduce “education” first. I stand corrected.

I introduced the fact that NACHI Tv, a for profit agency, is soliciting state licensing boards and that…as a result…it is unlikely to find NACHI fighting against legislation at one end and profiting by it at the other.

Your activities…prior to NACHI Tv and its financial interests in home inspector legislation…seem to have been welcomed and somewhat effective. I hope you plan to do more.

P.S. — There were no “false accusations” regarding your profiting from “advanced” courses made by me. It was your misleading statement that ALL of your courses are FREE that comes closes to being “false”.