Originally Posted By: Bob Badger This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I love Bennie, however I do not think he would help make the NEC clearer.
I think he might further confuse many of the issues.
To those that do not know Bennie he is a highly intelligent and knowledgeable ex electrician and inspector, who's primary motto should be question all authority.
He has some great ideas that do not necessarily match the NEC, that does not mean dangerous they just might not pass inspection. 
Originally Posted By: roconnor This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Your excellent reputation as an expert on the NEC and electrical inspections is well known, even among home inspectors.
Thank you for the very generous offer to NACHI. That is a credit to your professionalism, and dedication to helping inspectors learn and keeping people safe.
PS. I absolutely love the pic you share on a "floating electrical pool outlet" ...  ... a real classic of "What Not To Do" ...
To All:
For those that do not know, Joe is a well known NEC expert who has his own BB to discuss electrical inspection issues. I highly recommend that you check it out. See this link:
Both are NEC related, so if you have a real interest in this subject, I welcome your input.
As a Moderator, I am dedicated too facts, and I don't want people to think that everything I say is the way it has to be.
I guess that the years have started to catch up with me, and having been involved in the process of code development since 1965, sometimes gives me some authority to call out and explain the rules as they were intended.
My library is full of information that is based upon the many changes and proposals that were sent to NFPA to change or add rules.
Originally Posted By: joetedesco This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
This thread reminded me of better days, and how we were able to avoid any confrontation concerning comments made in jest, and in some cases comments that are very accurate and very true, I will challenge anyone who disagrees.
I am still able to stand behind any of my comments, and those here that welcomed me to this site.
This message here was posted long before we had one new member who is a Chapter Chairman who makes it his business everyday and by the hour, to make other members answer the many questions he asks about whatever the discussion is about.
He also continues to sit behind his computer thrashing and bashing others, and to date this writer also. This person is of course James Bushart
I made a mistake and I apologized for it and said I was sorry on more that one occasion.
I would welcome a face to face challenge, even with gloves on in the ring and maybe we can plan on that at the Convention.
In fact I hereby challenge all of those who have had something to say about recent issues to partake in a TUG of WAR at the convention, naturally for the time being I will be the first on the opposite side and for sure winning side, because from what I know most of the other side are not in good shape.
I look forward to replies here all in favor of my suggestion.
PS: Let's keep this clear of any off color remarks please, I am sincere!
Originally Posted By: jbushart This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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Joe Tedesco
Member posted 09-23-2005 07:43 AM
I am speechless!
Recent question here: Found this in a 22 year old home. My question is doesn't the wiring passing through the panel require a protective bushing?
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Sorry Joe we are home inspectors not electricians!
What is the advantage of us spending all our time on learning the electrical code?
I am a retired sparky and can not see a big advantage for home inspectors requiring some of your questions.
I feel we need to recognize that there is a hot spot in the panel.
There are incorrect receptacles.
There are loose boxes.
We also have to see that the AC split is incorrect.
We must recognize concerns with the hot water system .
We are generalists not specialists.
We need to know a very large amount of the working of a home, but do not need to know what kind of pressures are in side a AC unit.
It is not needed for us to know all the codes of all the trades.
My opinion others might agree or disagree.
Roy Cooke Sr.
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Moderator posted 09-23-2005 09:42 AM
One of the many reasons that, generally speaking, I think home inspectors are a joke.
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That quote was from your post on the ECN board before their webmaster stepped in and deleted your bash-fest, which I understand has since barred you. Their webmaster has apologized for this behavior on your part.
Here is an excerpt from your post at the widely read Journal of Light Construction:
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Joe Tedesco
Moderator
Should Home Inspectors be allowed to inspect electrical systems?
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Sorry Joe we are home inspectors not electricians!
What is the advantage of us spending all our time on learning the electrical code?
I am a retired sparky, and can not see a big advantage for home inspectors requiring some of your questions.
I feel we need to recognize that there is a hot spot in the panel.
There are incorrect receptacles.
There are loose boxes.
We also have to see that the AC split is incorrect.
We must recognize concerns with the hot water system .
We are generalists not specialists.
We need to know a very large amount of the working of a home, but do not need to know what kind of pressures are in side a AC unit.
It is not needed for us to know all the codes of all the trades.
My opinion others might agree or disagree.
Roy Cooke Sr.
Most don't even know what PPE is and say that they don't need the protection!
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#2 09-23-2005, 07:33 AM
Allan Edwards
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Re: Should Home Inspectors be allowed to inspect electrical systems?
In Texas we have one of the strongest programs for home inspectors, these guys (and gals) have a very stringent licensing program, and continuing education, much more than homebuilders (me). About 1/2 of my new homes are inspected, I am always impressed with their reports. I guess it varies from state to state, but even if they are "lightly" qualified, does it hurt? If they find a defect, which of course with older existing homes they will, a HO will then call a qualified electrician.
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#3 09-23-2005, 07:36 AM
Chad Fabry
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Re: Should Home Inspectors be allowed to inspect electrical systems?
Joe,
Having Roy Cooke's quote presented as the view of better (or even average) home inspectors everywhere is rather like saying that Moe, Larry and Curly are representative of Americans in general.
I've read hundred's of Roy's posts; I'm sure you have as well. We both know that his technical knowledge is surpassed only by his ability to compose an eloquent sentence.
I know what the pressures should be in A/C, I know what PPE is, I can wire a home to code with out the NEC in my back pocket, I can sweat 3 inch copper, lay block, finish concrete and cut a roof.
"Qualified" home inspectors certainly should ALMOST ALWAYS inspect the panel. Your assessment of home inspectors has been marred by your choice of attempting to educate the 6,700 least experienced, least educated, and least educable inspectors on planet earth. Don't try and influence the smart people here by bringing your political agenda.
This is the "Journal of Light Construction" forum. It's for and about people who work in the trades and who are very unlikely to know anything about home inspection and what the practices of better home inspectors include.
I'm pretty miffed.
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#4 09-23-2005, 08:20 AM
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Re: Should Home Inspectors be allowed to inspect electrical systems?
Sounds like I am walking into a debate that is being debated somewhere else.
My take:
When I go to a doctor I am expecting that doctor to be able to tell me what my problem is. It might be that he will send me to see a specialist but he will know which one I need to see.
If a home inspector is not knowledgeable enough to be able to tell me that the home I am about to buy needs the attention of a specialist then what I don?t need is the HOME INSPECTOR.
I also think as well as push for in my state, that if the home inspector sings off that my home is in perfect condition and after moving in something goes wrong the cost comes out the pocket of the home inspector.
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#5 09-23-2005, 08:36 AM
Allan Edwards
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Re: Should Home Inspectors be allowed to inspect electrical systems?
I've seen a lot of these reports from home inspectors, and they always qualify their electrical inspection with advice that if they find a defect a licensed electrician should be called.
These guys (inspectors) are broad, general inspectors. They serve a good purpose, and it prevents a HO from having to hire an electrician, HVAC company, Roofing company, foundation company, plumbing company, framer, appliance company, etc.
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#6 09-23-2005, 10:04 AM
Joe Tedesco
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Re: Should Home Inspectors be allowed to inspect electrical systems?
I can't stop laughing, what a crying joke, see the poll so far, and some of the comments as well.
Chad, I am interested in everyone's electrical safety and I will continue too be concerned about "wannabee electrical inspectors", no one questioned your ability!
I don't want to get into the foolishness that goes on over there!
NYS is full of them!
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So, after Chad Fabry jumps on you for disparaging the entire profession, you correct yourself and invite him to join you in a little good old NACHI bashing.
You are the joke, Joe Tedesco. A sad, pathetic and fading joke. The chairman of the Ethics Committee has repeatedly requested your response to the charges made against you and, instead of providing something tangible to address the specific charges, you make telephone calls and posts like these in an attempt to find people willing to support your attacks against us.
You call yourself a "legend". Those whom you have disparaged have other names for you. Hopefully, former member will soon be among them.
Something tells me that you will be persona non grata at the coming convention but, should you be there, I don't plan to waste any time with you at all. There are too many good reasons to be there and to focus my attention on.
