Best cure is to stop reading. LOL
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Come on gentlemen! I’m having fun with this guy. Really !
It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the ** Electrical Twilight Zone* 
I’m truly sorry ! I couldn’t help myself…
However it is true…Yes!
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I’m trying…I’m trying…trust me…
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The Ignoramus~Bad Advice Zone… … …
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Short answer. A defect or defects.
We agree on that.
I am ‘guessing’ that the OP is not a new install. So, we are not talking code now. What is the danger in the OP panel?
The home isn’t going to burn down.
No one will be shocked.
Have you noticed that all the circuits are 12 AWG? No multi-wire circuits?
Other than the range neutral landing under where I would put a GEC and the bundling, this is a quality install.
So why does everyone want to create problems when none exist?
Larry, I enforce the code so i know the code. This is a home inspection question.
The OP is not a code violation.
It is a made up defect for an existing and approved installation by those who do not understand the building code.
I don’t believe you and you should be ashamed of confusing many inspectors. SHAME ON YOU!
Section 408.21 of the NEC:
Elec-Neutral_Terminations.pdf (1.4 MB)
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So Ohio has a law written by people with no electrical knowledge stating that this not a hazard since we don’t require licensing for a person to wire single family dwelling. Great logic. Forty nine other states recognized the issue. I wonder who is right.
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I know the code. 408.21 is not retroactive.
PERFECTLY SAFE
Another rabbit hole…SHAME ON YOU, MICHAEL!
I’m done with you!
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“No person shall engage in the practice of electrical inspection in this state …”
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3783.06v1
I wonder if Ohio cares about your opinion?
Michael you didn’t answer my question correctly.
What would your narrative be on the scenario I posted?
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Why would they care about my opinion? They don’t even care about the people that elected them and allow substandard practices. Just goes to show you don’t know what you don’t know.
@mparks2, as an electrical code inspector, can you explain to us why the NEC 2020:
- does not allow grounded and grounding conductors under the same lug
- does not allow 2 grounded conductors under the same lug
Wow, not even 24 hours, and 115 posts! Haha I’m impressed, considering this topic is nothing new on here!
This home was built in 2001, I always call these out as a newer code violation, but that it wasn’t when the home was built… that way they have the option to care about it or not.
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It’s 408.41
Notice is says can be problematic. Could create! It’s only unsafe if you are unqualified or stupid.
You probably don’t believe the NFPA either.
You mean requirement not violation.
I started wiring homes in `93 and 408 is not in the 1993 NEC. I looked. I think it was the 1999 NEC but I can’t find my 1999 NEC…
good point
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It was covered by 110.3(B) in the manufacturer’s instructions and listing well before the 408 listing.