NH meeting

(John Bowman, Executive Director) #1

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(William J. Decker) #2

Good one, John. Finally some sanity has been brought to the process.

Thanks;

(Nick Gromicko, CMI) #3

Nice work John.

(Russell Spriggs, CMI) #4

Sounds like a model for the other 49-
Great to have you present, Uncle John!!!

(Carla Horne, NH00001) #5

We are making great strides! I am proud to be a NACHI member

Thanks John, I have a ready received thank you emails this morning

Carla

(John Bowman, Executive Director) #6

Here is one individuals thoughts forwarded to me. Interesting read.

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From: FCarrio@Adelphia.net mailto:fcarrio@adelphia.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:59 PM
To: nick gromicko (gromicko@msn.com); Farsetta Joe (jjf10965@yahoo.com)
Cc: Henry Finzel (henryfinzeljr@Yahoo.com); Marcus Hutnick
(hutnickmj1@comcast.net); John Hastings (homeinsp@localnet.com)

Hello to All!

Here is a letter that I sent to the duly elected officers of our State
Chapter. I think that ALL members of our State Chapter should be aware of
the potentially serious ramifications of the ill advised meeting that is
going to take place tomorrow on Friday August 4 at the Red Blazer in
Concord, NH 6:00 PM
72 Manchester St, Concord, NH 603-224-4101

I urge ALL members to attend and to join me in voicing your concern about
having someone who lives in New York come to New Hampshire and try to force
their opinions down our throats.

YOUR LIVELIHOOD'S ARE AT STAKE! I HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE!

Sincerely, Frank Carrio
Certified Inspector & Consultant
President, New Hampshire State Chapter {NACHI}

To:
August 3, 2006
Marcus Hutnick, NH Chapter VP.
John Hastings, NH Chapter Sec.
Henry Finzel, NACHI Grassroots Committee Chair.
CC: Nick Gromicko

Hello to all!

As you all know, due to your hard work on March 22, 2006 New Hampshire House
Bill 642 was defeated. This poorly written, biased, and in all probability
illegal bill was sponsored by a "Freshmen" State Legislator, who just
happens to be a NH Real Estate agent. His "advisors" were the local NE-ASHI
President and Vice President. Needless to say that the bill was modeled
straight down the line after the ASHI "White Paper" on state licensure.
For all of us who bothered to attend all of the Committee and Sub
Committee meetings at the State House we saw that ASHI hired more than one
lobbyist, and had several of their "Out of State" representatives show up
and try to dominate the meetings and influence the outcome of this "ASHIFIED
Bill".
I am more than proud to say that thanks to all of the hard work of our
NH NACHI members this bill was defeated as it so richly deserved.

Some of you are aware of the fact that on the day that this bill was
defeated I received three {3} phone calls from three different State
Legislators congratulating us on the defeat of this bill, and all three
asked me to "rewrite" this bill so that it would not be an embarrassment to
the sponsors {All three want to sponsor the "New Bill"} and more importantly
to "rewrite" it in such a manner as to make it a legitimate "Consumer
Protection" bill.

 As easy as this may sound, I have found that in order to "Protect the

Consumer, and more importantly to PROTECT THE INSPECTOR" that it has proven
to be a difficult task. I have found that I am personally opposed to several
items, that I feel should be included in the Bill {I.E. Apprenticeship,
Bonds, Reciprocity, etc.} I have learned to "Give & Take."

 I will be finished with the "rewrite" sometime in the next 14-days.

Then it will be submitted for a "Legal Review" and then written in a "Legal
Format." I do not know how long this process will take, if all goes well
this bill will be submitted for the upcoming legislative session. This has
been a slow and painstaking process.

Harry Gale the "Freshman" State Legislator was the sponsor for HB-642. That
bill is dead. He is NOT involved in, and will not be a sponsor for this new
bill.

I am astonished that Carla Horn chose to circumvent the New Hampshire State
Chapter {NACHI} and to bring in an outsider to try to influence New
Hampshire law. Ms. Horn was invited to attend all of the "NACHI Grassroots"
meetings and never showed up.

Ms. Horn was invited to participate in ALL official and unofficial
NACHI meetings and never showed up. Ms. Horne was invited to attend the
NACHI meeting that was addressed by two {2} Long Term, well established, and
widely respected State Legislators who at the NACHI meeting stood up and
promised to defeat this "Poorly Written, and not well thought out bill."
These two State Representatives were true to their word, and worked
diligently to defeat this bill.

As you are all aware, Ms. Carla Horn has been invited to attend both
official and "unofficial" meetings a minimum of six {6} times. The
invitation was ours. The choice to decline and or not respond at all was
hers.

Her decision to ignore the existence of New Hampshire Chapter of The
National Association of Certified Home Inspectors {NACHI}, and to ignore the
authority of the duly elected officers of this Chapter is symptomatic of her
attitude since day one.

Her attempted circumvention of the New Hampshire NACHI Chapter in this very
important Legislative issue is disgraceful to say the least.

We have a very educated and articulate group of people representing our
needs and desires. We do not need or want "Mr. John Bowman's help." It is
unfortunate that Carla Horne chose to attempt to circumvent the NH State
Chapter and to put Mr. Bowman in this potentially embarrassing position.

As the President of the New Hampshire State Chapter of the National
Association of Certified Home Inspectors {NACHI} I am requesting Mr. Nick
Gromicko to advise Mr. John Bowman that his presence and participation in
our legislative process is not desired or welcome. The mere presence of the
out of state ASHI representatives helped kill their bill. I am sure that Mr.
Bowman has good intentions but we do not want, or "need" Mr. Bowman's
interference.

With the exception of this last meeting of which we not notified or invited,
and were all unaware of, all of the Officers of our Chapter have attended
all of the committee and sub committee meetings on "State Licensure" for
home inspectors.

If Mr. Bowman had bothered to contact me, or any of the other officers of
this State

Chapter he could have saved himself a trip.<

 If Mr. Bowman chooses to continue to interfere in our State Legislative

affairs, I will attend "his proposed meeting" and make it painfully clear to
all of the State Legislators that as a resident and constituent of New
Hampshire, and as the New Hampshire State Chapter President that Mr. Bowman
is attending under protest, against my advice, against my wishes, and that
he DOES NOT speak for our members, me, or for any of the other Officers of
this chapter.
I guarantee that I will not be the only New Hampshire resident that will be
voicing my displeasure at his unwelcome presence.

Signed, Frank Carrio
Certified Inspector & Consultant
President, New Hampshire State Chapter {NACHI}

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Everyone should understand that NACHI National will be involved with all Home Inspection Legislation. Chapters whether state or local or whatever do not speak on behalf of NACHI National or its membership. In fact every chapter whether State or County, or area specific are all separate entity's from NACHI. You are authorized to utilize the NACHI name in your titles but you are not spokesman, directors or officers with NACHI.

NACHI National's concern in every state law is that they do not show bias towards any one or two associations or other participating Home Inspector Providor Business's. No individual business or association, etc. should be a part of a law. Subjects such as Grandfathering, and apprenticeships, etc. are of no concern to us, unless they show bias favorably towards any one of the above groups, including NACHI.

So get use to NACHI National being involved in State Licensing. Also be advised that my visits, Nick's visits, etc. to states are not always announced for obvious reasons. My prior meeting with Representative Gale was on behalf of NACHI National and did not involve your chapters. I do not nor never will speak on behalf of chapters or individual members businesses. I assume I would then be a lobbyist and would need a lobbyist license if I did. I would never go in saying that I am so and so and represent all NH Home Inspection Businesses.

(Carla Horne, NH00001) #7

ouch!

(william forsyth) #8

Yikes. (you okay Carla?):(

(Joe Farsetta) #9

It has always been NACHIs position that the member representatives from states where legislation is an issue drive the boat. Any involvement from NACHI at a national level was only made after help was sought from member inspectors who asked for it. From what I've read in F Carrio's letter, there appears to be some disparity as to what involvement a national representative should have taken, or be taking.

When anyone states "get used to" something, I have to wonder why.

As Representative Gale's last attemt at licensing was squashed for obvious reasons, and as a direct result of the hard work of NACHI NH members, I need to ask if any of this latest meetng discussion was coordinated with those NACHI NH members directly involved before this. And why was this bill aparently resurrected? And by whom?

If not coordinated wth the blessings and involvement of those in this fight, then why not? And this involvement should have been more than simly being asked to attend a meeting.

There are multiple (two) NACHI chapters which exist in NH. There needs to be concensus as to WHAT is said, at what time, and to WHOM, before NACHI National representatives get involved. Of course, this is just my opinon. But, if the majority of rank and file NH NACHI members were opposed to this, then NACHI National should NOT have moved forward absent of their blessings.

That goes for Nick, John, me, or anyone else, for that matter...

Otherwise, we see letters similar to the one John posted from Frank, and I get multiple telephone calls from NACHI and ASHI members in NH and the rest of New England.

When we make statements like "a select few", the question goes to how many other inspectors do these few represent within their state. If they speak for the majority of NACHI NH members, then they are a far cry from "a select few". Chapters of different sizes cannot carry the same weight of vote. A chapter of two, for instance, cant drive the wishes of a chapter of 70... or have the same voice or voting power. It needs to be more like the house of representatives model rather than the senate.

I therefore request NH NACHI Chapter members to hammer out a concensus, game plan and strategy for moving forward. It is also my understanding that the former Gale bill was squashed after meetings with other NH legislative representatives, who have asked Frank Carrio to work with NACHI NH members and craft new legislation. It is my understanding that this process is nearly completed, and that we have several legislators in our corner. Mr Gale is not one of them. So my question goes to why any meetng took place when we have representation in the state house, and we are already engaged? NACHI National has NEVER acted without the knowledge and blessngs of those member inspector's involved. Tgis was true in Ky, NJ, Pa, NY, Fla, and so on. Why is NH suddenly different?

Was this meeting warranted or really productive for our members in NH? John, please work with Frank and his chapter membership. I believe its the right thing to do. Have them direct your involvement. If you are a hammer from National, let them swing you.

(James H. Bushart) #10

John,

Last Fall, it was also the stated position of NACHI National that no legislation will be supported by NACHI that would put any existing home inspector out of business.

Is this no longer the position of NACHI National? When and for what reason was this changed?

Grandfathering plays a very big part in that.

(Gerry Beaumont) #11

James, you may look to the New York legislation as supported by NACHI for your answer to that.

As to further discussion on the specifics on the current New Hampshire situation I believe that to get a full and "Frank" discussion of the issues we would need to move this thread to a members only area.

Regards

Gerry

(Joe Farsetta) #12

Gerry,

Here in NY, Dan Osborne and I were successful in squashing the NYSAHI bill, and in crafting the new and enacted legislation. There was absolutely NO involvement from NACHI at a national level. Any subsequent involvement came long after the fact and was a result of my not being able to attend a meeting in Albany. Big John went in my stead, which was fine, and later helped guide the folks in the DOS with regard to testing. He was a member of a committee (along with others) that could have input into the testing process.

NACHI National's involvement in NH is far different from its involvement in NY.

(Gerry Beaumont) #13

Joe, I was mearly answering James question as it pertains to NACHI's legislative policy. Passed legislation in NY, TN and KY attests to NACHI policy and that which our members have been happy to support.

Regards

Gerry

(James H. Bushart) #14

John,

Again, and for the record, when did NACHI National change its policy that it would not support any legislation that would put existing home inspectors out of business?

As you well know from many recent successful as well as failed attempts, legislation is a tool used by some to simply eliminate their competition and raise their prices - having nothing at all to do with consumer interest or protection.

Since the membership of this association covers the full spectrum of experience in this field, the association - very early on - took a strong position not to support any legislation that would put any of its members out of business.

When did this change, and why?

(Joe Farsetta) #15

Sorry, Gerry...

You are correct in that regard. The sole point I am trying to make n all this is that in the case here in NY, National's position was that they would get involved and support us in any way WE asked.

There seems to be some debate n that regard in NH.

(James H. Bushart) #16

8/19/05 Blaine Wiley, NACHI President, **on this message board*](http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=14757):*

"Any enacted measure should not put anyone out of business who is presently in the field, should not have a bias toward any association, and should not keep new entrants out of the field via unreasonable requirements, such as mentoring. Ensuring that someone is qualified is fine."

8/6/06 John Bowman, Executive Director, in this thread:

"NACHI National's concern in every state law is that they do not show bias towards any one or two associations or other participating Home Inspector Providor Business's. No individual business or association, etc. should be a part of a law. Subjects such as Grandfathering, and apprenticeships, etc. are of no concern to us, unless they show bias favorably towards any one of the above groups, including NACHI. So get use to NACHI National being involved in State Licensing."

These statements of NACHI's position regarding legislation, made by its two top leaders, is inconsistent (at best).

Again...when did this change and who changed it?

(James H. Bushart) #17

Gerry,

I would normally agree with you except, in this case, the topic is one that affects *all *home inspectors and addresses NACHI's position on a matter that directly affects them/us and our futures in this industry.

NACHI's public position on legislation that affects the public should be able to be discussed in a public forum, IMO. Besides, this is the area in which our ED chose to initiate discussion on this topic and, up to this point, I have trusted his judgment.

Jim

(John Bowman, Executive Director) #18

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(James H. Bushart) #19

John,

Hello. I am not addressing any particular piece of legislation. I am addressing your statement regarding your present position, that omits any reference to NACHI's formerly published position, that NACHI will not support any legislation that would put a home inspector out of business (among other issues).

You go as far as to say that "grandfathering", "apprenticeship" and other similar issues are no longer a concern of NACHI when these parts of proposed legislation often affect the ability of a home inspector to remain in business.

This is a significant shift in policy that was not present last year. I am wondering when and why these changes were made to NACHI's position.

Or is this just a matter of incomplete or misunderstood communication?

Jim

(John Bowman, Executive Director) #20

Jim,

Call me if you wish to discuss this further. I've tried to call you twice so far today and both times you answering service picked up.