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Originally Posted By: Chris Morrell
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Joe,


Very well said. I applaud your post.

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Chris Morrell
Director of Information Technology
http://www.nachi.org/

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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Joe Kelly:


You're not listening. I'm not asking "a Judge to define anything." I'm filing a libel suit against you and PHIC.

You mailed out big, thick packets full of lies about me personally to everyone NACHI and I have anything to do with and it caused us to suffer huge damages. My many private positions outside of NACHI made the damages from your lies even greater.

You wrote my fellow REALTORs, my employer, my partners, my employees, PAR, local politicians, new inspectors, our own NACHI members, and everyone else claiming NACHI and I are "acting illegally." I have it all very well documented. More evidence was sent to me just this week when others read this thread.

I will use discovery to see if any other PHIC board members were involved and add them as defendants.

I don't want to cause trouble for you and your family but I need to do what is best for NACHI members.

Before I file, I will make you one settlement offer:

Give us PHIC.

Let's all sign a mutual release, turn PHIC over to NACHI, and we can all go back to doing good work.

We are going to take PHIC anyway. I promise. Why let us take your homes and cars too?

Nick

ps Regardless of what you all decide...you are still very welcome to join NACHI.

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Good post, Joe M, but it takes BALLS to be objective…


Nick, when does this party start?

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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Joe Myers:


You're on top of this, so you and Joe Kelly work out a fair arrangement. The entire PHIC group can come to NACHI. They can even start their own committee and their own chapter to hash out whatever they want. We are membership run so whatever you guys decide will be fine. Let me know if I can help. Otherwise I'll just stay out of the way.

I'll call a cease fire for now.

I hope you can succeed in working something out. We do want to have PHIC though.


Nick

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Why??!!!


They seem divisive, manipulative, and vindictive... all in the name f consumer protection. They have sought to destroy NACHI at every turn. WHY would we want them?

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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Joe Farsetta:


Good question. I understand your feelings because I share them with you. But I can't do what I feel like doing... I have to do what is best for our membership. Our NACHI membership is best served by taking control of PHIC. All the better if I can do it without firing a shot.

The IRS taught me to be patient. For many months my attorneys and I have been collecting evidence to bury everyone in PHIC personally. I'm the king of discovery and have performed all the discovery work in every law suit I ever filed. If they won't settle, I'll dig up even more evidence in the discovery phase of the suit. In some cases, it appears we'll even get judgements against their wives.

Winning all these libel suits might make you and I feel good but how would that help NACHI members?

Our opponents are now at our mercy (though a couple of them are still in denial). Let them have our mercy. I joke about taking their homes and turning them into hands-on NACHI inspection schools, but I don't want to hurt anyone. Many have converted to NACHI by free choice...we can take a few more. We'll do what is best for NACHI members and take over PHIC.

I'll give you my word: If they don't turn over PHIC to us in the next week or so, I'll show them no more mercy and entertain no more settlement offers.

You've done so much for NACHI I find it difficult to ask you for more. But I'll ask you for one more favor: trust me on this one.

Nick

ps. My next post is a small example of the mountain of evidence I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:55 AM


Subject: NACHI



I'll probably get yelled at by Nick, but I had to let
you in on this. Polley Associates is a Realtor,
Appraiser, Home Inspector training school here in PA.
I found their site linked to NACHI and checked it out.
NACHI was listed with ASHI & NAHI as "among the
organizations qualified by our law." Read the response
below, it made me smile!

I will politely let them know that we cannot link them
to our sites because we cannot endorse any one
training school but that we can provide information to
them as needed.

Have a very Happy Holiday Season.


Joe Kelly
Advanced Home Inspections
President "Keystone ASHI", http://keystoneashi.org/
Secretary "PHIC", visit us, PHIC.info
"Let knowledge remove all doubt"



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Dear Joe Kelly:

Thanks very much for your e-mail of Saturday
afternoon. As you may know, Polley Associates is proud
to be an affiliate member of both ASHI and NAHI.
Unfortunately, until your e-mail, we were unaware of
any controversy surrounding NACHI. It was not our
intent to "lend credibility" to NACHI, but merely to
make our students aware of options.

We've acted quickly on your message, and in several
ways. First, we've removed references to NACHI from
both the page you referenced (our Home Inspection
courses menu) and from our Links menu. Second, on both
pages, we've added a new link to the Pennsylvania Home
Inspectors coalition website. Third, we've changed the
referenced language regarding "qualified by the law"
to "meeting the law's standards."

In short, Joe, we're letting knowledge remove all
doubt!

To that end, would you also do us a favor by adding
Polley Associates to the mailing / e-mail lists of
both Keystone ASHI and the Coalition? Future
information from them certainly would be useful to our
students and instructors alike.

Thanks, Joe, for your heads-up, and best regards for
the holidays. Feel free to contact me personally with
questions or comments.
Joseph M. "Joe" Zlomek
Marketing Director
Polley Associates
3544 West Chester Pike, Suite 200
Newtown Square, PA 19073
On the web at www.polleyassociates.com
Via e-mail at jzlomek@polleyassociates.com

----- Original Message -----
From: HDISME@aol.com
To: polley@polleyassociates.com
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 1:46 PM
Subject: Inspection Associations


In browsing your web site I find you have chosen to
lend credibility to an Inspection association which is
not compliant with PA ACT 114.

"and the National Association of Certified Home
Inspectors (based in Valley Forge PA) are among the
organizations qualified by the law;"

The Pennsylvania Home Inspectors Coalition has asked
this organization, on numerous occasions, to supply
verifiable proof of compliance, with no reply. The
Attorney Generals office has been contacted and we are
awaiting response. Specific points of law are
available upon request. The law does not "qualify"
organizations and that is one reason PHIC exists.




Joe Kelly
Advanced Home Inspections
President "Keystone ASHI", http://keystoneashi.org/
Secretary "PHIC", visit us, PHIC.info
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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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My previous post and the one I posted before it… go together. Latter might be difficult to understand without the former.


Nick

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Originally Posted By: Joe Kelly
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Nick,


You call that evidence? All I see is information that NACHI has refused to provide proof of compliance, what they did after that they did on their own.

If brought before a judge, I?m sure he will have the same question you and your members have, WHY? And the answer is Answers, or should I say a lack there of. If you would have responded, on the first request, or on any one after that for that matter, we would not be having this discussion. What?s the problem, just answer and it?s over.

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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Comply with what? The PA law doesn’t regulate associations. PA doesn’t recognize associations. And we don’t recognize you. We don’t have to respond to you, answer any of your questions, or prove anything to you. You aren’t an elected official, get it through your head. You’re just somebody who told a pile of lies to people we do business with in an effort to cause us damages (read your email I posted above). The way you signed your emails gives you, your inspection company, your local ASHI association, and PHIC a problem now…a big problem.


The judge will explain it to you.

Nick
Soon to be President of PHIC

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Joe Kelly,


I agree with Nick. You seem to have a slight comprehension problem. You see, you have no authority to demand answers on your own. If accompanied as part of discovery, in an offocial court proceeding, you may have grounds. However, even if that were true, you still have no authority, or more importantly, a right, to broadcast this fact to the general public. This is where the libel comes from. Its not enough to simply state "well, I asked them questions and they refused to answer us". So what. You have intimated that that somehhow means that NACHI is a bad org and its Executive Director is corrupt. Absent of a determination of fact in a court having jurisdiction, you are in big trouble here. You still don't get it, do you? You were WRONG in doing what you did, regardless of whether you said they were non-compliant, or simply stated, in the directed manner you did (intended to harm NACHI), that NACHI refused to answer YOUR questions, as you had no legal standing by which to demand these answers.

The double-whammy may come, and I say may, when and if NACHI is asked by the court to prove compliance. Once that proof of presented, you are really screwed.

I suggest you contact your attorney and start readying a solid defense. From my experience, you may have little...

Add to the deluge, the numerous inspectors who will chime in with regard to their own experiences with NACHI, PAR's opinion, and other evidence in fact. I'd hate to be in your shoes...

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Originally Posted By: rwills
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This is just a prime example of what power and greed will do to some. In this case I’m sure there are a handful of greedy A$HI and NAHI members that make up the so-called PHIC that figure one thing: If competition is going to come, and it will, we can’t stop it - what is our next step? To rake them over the coals and take as much as we can before they become competition. That’s what this whole damn issue is about! We have an org. that is willing to help it’s members at minimal cost and it’s placing a damper on their whole damn so-called “MENTOR” program. Any new inspector, and consumer for that matter, that gains this knowledge before hiring an inspector will understand that to use these guys means that you are just paying there high cost elitist membership and not getting a better inspector at all. I for one, cannot and will not believe that an org. as big as theirs could possibly be made up of all self-centered, greedy individuals such as we are dealing with here. more than likely, the majority of their own members do not agree with the B.S there pulling. That point will prove itself just by watching our membership #s. When push comes to shove you can bet your a$$ that it will be the greedy, harrassing, hardcore, one track minded few involved, that will cause Davey, (NACHI) to bring this Goliath, (PHIC) down.

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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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NACHI can’t force anyone to take our exam, pick up a pen, fill out our application, sign the affidavit, and send it in with their $289. Inspectors all over the country do this of their own free will.


I think because of 2 reasons:

They like that NACHI members help each other...not stab each other in the back. Their heart tells them to join NACHI.

They figure out that http://www.nachi.org/benefits.htm is worth more than $289. Their brain tells them to join NACHI.

NACHI isn't forcing these veteran inspectors into joining NACHI and all Joe Kelly's lies can't stop them.

This eats him up. W'ell give PHIC a nice funeral and forget they ever existed.

Nick

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Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Nick,


I already offered to work this out with Joe and company in one of my previous posts. I do believe they are more interested in us doing things their way then they are doing things in the manner in which the law was written but I would certainly give it my best effort. Lets see what they want to do.

Joe Myers

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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IMHO, the first step they need to take is to officially distance themselves from Joe Kelly. This should go for Keystone ASHI, as well. If other board members were behind these baseless attacks, those folks need to go, as well. Yes, I said it. The problem personnel need to be stripped of any authority from PHIC and Keystone ASHI.


The speed by which these orgs begin to distance themselves from the problem, the better for all concerned. If they are not willing to take these first steps, the problems will continue. If these folks haven't gotten it by now, and haven't let-up, then they never will. So you can forget any chance of a comprimise on their parts. Further, this "cleansing" of their executive boards will send a clear message to the other PHIC members who are spreading other crap, and helping to blacken our image.

The bottom line is that NO org is perfect. There is room for improvement in all. All have their strong points, and their weak points. NACHI included. The major difference is the hateful and vindictive means by which certain individuals attack us. This is where the REAL problem comes from.

Fish stinks from the head down. Take the head off of PHIC, and neuter Keystone ASHI. Let's give them a real wake-up call.

Nick, this is the bare minimum I would ask for, if any comprimise or truce will ever be meaningful or long-lasting.

Joe F

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Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Joe self-destruct.


The attacks you are speaking of are caused by fear. Those fears do have a tendency to make them self-destruct all on their own without any outside interference from us or anyone else. Time is on our side, only the young survive. ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)

Joe Myers

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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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, if they don’t give us PHIC, we’re gonna take it anyway and then we’ll take their homes too. I’m just trying to give them an easy way out so they don’t come a crying later.


Nick

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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offices? If there are, I get the corner one…


Ha ha ha... ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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PHIC has no assets to attach unfortunately… but we’ll have no trouble piercing the corporate veil on this one…


Nick

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Originally Posted By: Sean LaSalle
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Everyone who is looking to start a Home inspection Business,


I am a fairly new member to NACHI, as well as a member to NAHI. I just started operating my business in the Lehigh Valley, and almost backed out when I found out what PA law was.

Around March, I was originally looking into buying a franchise, but later decided I did not want to pay a royalty fee forever, and be assigned a territory.

But anyway, one of the franchise salesman referred me to PHIC (Pennsylvania Home Inspectors Coalition). And when calling and speaking to a certain individual there, I was ready to say forget it. You see, he was the one who told me about PA law for Home Inspectors.

When I asked this man if I could become an Affiliate of PHIC, he told me that he didn't think it was a good time to open a business in Home Inspections.

I continued to ask questions, and all the answers were negative, which was really bringing me down. After all, I just left a very good management position from Home Depot to start this business, and now I have this guy telling me its not a good time. He did mention the pay for mentoring program, which is BS. Phic is the only association taking money from people to get inspections under your belt.

Basically what it sounds like to me is that coalition in PHIC is exactly what it means. These people are a coalition trying to be the Microsoft, or Enron of associations.

Everyone is free to make their own judgement on who to join. But when I called PHIC, the UN-GENTLEMEN I spoke to was steering me away, because he was afraid of competition?

Anyone looking to join an Association, feel free to contact me. I am a member of NACHI as well as NAHI. I've done a lot of research on almost every association you can join. And these are the two I picked.

Oh, P.S.- I don't know who you are, but Mr. Kelly, I'd love to chat over coffee. Nothing personal, but I think you have some anger, depression, or maybe hate inside of you, and I think I could help. So if you'd like, lets do coffee. I'll buy.

That is why I love this Country, FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Sean
Anchor Home Inspections
anchorhomeinspections@msn.com