panel rating

Originally Posted By: bbadger
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tallen wrote:
Just curious.

What is the size (AWG) of the triplex feeding a single residential property?


No standard answer 6 or 4 aluminum is very common.

The power company does not use copper.

tallen wrote:
Is it rated the same as other conductors in a raceway or dwelling?


Not by a long shot, the power company has a different method of sizing their conductors. Sometime it seems they just do what they want but their service drops almost never fail.

tallen wrote:
Does the fact that it is in "free air" matter?


Yes that is part of it, but primarily the power company goes by historical data they keep on service loads.

The service sizes produced by using the calculations in the NEC provide a larger service than is really necessary.

A power company engineer I know says that a more realistic figure of the 'real' load is 50% of the NEC calculated load.

This is how he sizes the transformers feeding dwelling units he has been at it many years so I have to imaging he is on the money or would have been fired for burning up expensive transformers.

Sorry for all the posts in a row but it seemed the only way to address everyone.

Questions?

Bob


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Originally Posted By: berby
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Once again , is there a book i can read about panels or a icon_mad.gif video


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berby wrote:
Once again , is there a book i can read about panels or a ![icon_mad.gif](upload://j9pysYkUDeHxjgaVCpqL5B8x4z3.gif) video


The books and videos I know of are geared to electricians, and while there is no reason an HI could not use those books I think most would not want to go that deep and those books cover many issues that you will ever see in dwelling units.

Perhaps one of the HIs here could recommend something a aimed at home electrical systems.

That said if you really want to learn I recommend Mike Holt's products.

http://www.mikeholt.com/productitem.php?id=158&year=2002&from=All&ENGINE=Course


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Originally Posted By: tallen
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Thank you Bob icon_biggrin.gif



I have put the past behind me,


where , however, it now sits, making rude remarks.


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30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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I seem to remember the standard “200a” triplex everyone gets around here is #2. If I get a minute and think about it I will go check mine. The FPL guy told me is wasn’t really aluminum it was an alloy that was a bit harder than aluminum so it would handle the wind load (snow load up north I guess). He said it was closer to “strand”, the messenger/guy wire you see in non current carrying parts of the service.


Originally Posted By: Brian A. Goodman
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tallen wrote:
Is it possible to put a 150 amp breaker in a panel rated at 125?


Possible, yes. A few of the manufacturers make plug-on, back-feeding breakers up to 225 amps, capable of fitting in any of their residential panels. As Bob noted, what is allowed is another thing.


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Originally Posted By: pdickerson
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How does one determine the current rating of a meter or meter socket. At my home, I have a service latteral that comes into the meter panel (no markings on this panel), the meter panel feeds a hot gutter in the garage (no markings in this panel), and the hot gutter feeds two 200a panels. The wires feeding the two panels are 4/0 Al. The meter is marrked 240V FM4S CL10 60Hz 3W Kh0.6 TA2.5. The home was built in 1991.


If I was inspecting this service, I would not be able to determine the service rating because: I don't know what the meter and meter panel are rated at, and I can't see the wires from the meter to the hot gutter. Does this sound right?


Originally Posted By: tallen
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See where it says 200 CL ? This is a 200 amp meter. Does your meter have a similar marking?



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30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: pdickerson
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Most of the meters I see have “CL200” printed on them. My assumption is that this means a 200 amp meter, but I hate making assumptions. The meter at my home says CL 10. I went to the ABB and Elster web sites, but I could not find the answer to my question.


Originally Posted By: tallen
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CL 10 is most likly a 100 amp.



I will defer this to the pro's

Bob ,Joe, Greg ?


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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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Sorry I can only assume that CL 10 is a 100 amp meter I do not know.


The only way to know if the meter socket is 100 or 200 is to see the tag.

The same power company meter plugs into either a 100 or 200 socket.

So you could have a 200 amp rated meter in a 100 amp rated socket.

I would be very surprised if the power companies now even stock 100 amp meters. Of course older installations may have them.

Bob


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