Permanent or Temporary



How do you fellas feel about adjustable post? How do you write them up?

If that type are attached properly at the top and bottom and not over extended at the screw, I don’t have a problem.

It is the telescoping type that are not permanent.

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Permanent or Temporary belongs in the narrate.
Describe what you are inspecting.
Observation: Temporary Hollow Adjustable Steel Telescoping Column. Telescoping. Sometimes referred to as Lally columns but not as a Jack Post.

Observation: No visible footing. Poorly secured at the top and bottom, although I can not see the bottom. Fasteners not fully set and secured in place at the proper depth and at the right angle. The fasteners are bent over at 90° reducing the overall posable faster depth by approximately 50%. The exposed Temporary Hollow Adjustable Steel Telescoping Column top plate fasters under the beam can act as an entrapment for clothing, while working, as well as a means to tear skin and cause physical injury .
Refer to general contractor to further review and make required remedies to insure the column supports dead and lave loading from flooring assembly above.

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Based upon your limited view photos, what you show is a Permanent Post that is improperly installed.

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A couple of things to consider:

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And what I can see from the modified photo, the beam is not bearing properly on the top plate nor is the top plate fastened properly. (Many will argue it is upside down)

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That is correct… except that many AHJ’s will allow this configuration AS LONG AS the threads are “disabled”… such as running a weld/bead across the threads to prevent movement/adjustment/failure.

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WTF??

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Yes!!! A lot going on there

Not the same type of column as in the OP’s post.

Ah, there’s an important question to answer first: why is it there?

If the post is part of the structural design of the home, that’s one writeup.
If the post was added to remove a bit of “bounce” from the floors above, that’s a different case.

In the later case there’s no particular need to secure the top, the bottom, to weld the screws shut or really much of anything. The owner can remove the post when it’s in the way, and put it back when they want it back. After an earthquake it might fall over: no biggie.

How can you tell: well look at the floor joist sizes and span.

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Typically, basements are unfinished or partly finished as the home is erected. Temporary columns are placed and meant to be moved or set in place if rated for that use when the builder or owner decides how they want the basement layout designed.

Permanent vs. Temporary Support Posts - By Matthew Steger

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Doesn’t matter. If it’s there, it needs to meet Standards. Period!

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As long as they are installed properly and have the adjustment mechanism rendered permanently inoperable there really is not much to say. You might want to direct the customer back to seller to disclose why they were installed and if there is any supporting documentation, invoices or warranties.

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Lol…Me absorbed…Lol
As long as they are installed properly and have the adjustment mechanism rendered permanently inoperable

Do you EVER have an original thought BEFORE someone else posts it??

Jeffrey, I was posting this long before the OP’s post. Orientation is another thing. As long as the Temporary Hollow Adjustable Steel Telescoping Column can no longer be adjusted, be it buried in concrete or the threads welded, orientation does not matter.

Do you think the OP has the point yet? LOL

Oh wait…there was my photo too!

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So just in case there is any doubt. The adjustment mechanism should be disabled!!

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Just to clarify, this brand/type of post is rated for permanent use if installed correctly. I would not refer to it in a report as a temporary post. Instead, I would just say the post was not installed properly. Just my opinion.

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Thanks for that post Ryan. And lookie lookie :eyes:

From Ryan’s posted product guide

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