Thank you, Mike.
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I don’t understand how any electrician cannot evaluate a system they install everyday.
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The only place that it is not allowed is one man’s head.
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Because they lack the required proctored testing? By your logic carpenters can perform home inspections.
Not just in my head. It is others with knowledge of Ohio law. That’s OK because no of the laughing changes anything. Have a nice day.
Before you are ‘allowed’ to take the test.
(1) Has been a journeyperson electrician or equivalent for four years, two years of which were as an electrician foreman, and has had two years experience as a building inspector trainee of electrical systems;
(2) Has been a journeyperson electrician or equivalent for four years and has had three years experience as a building inspector trainee of electrical systems;
(3) Has had four years experience as a building inspector trainee of electrical systems;
(4) Had been a journeyperson electrician or equivalent for six years;
(5) Is a graduate electrical engineer and registered by the state of Ohio.
PS I’m on the list and you are not. “(E) The board shall keep a record of the names, addresses, and such other information as it requires, of each electrical safety inspector and each electrical safety inspector trainee and a record of its proceedings under Chapter 3783. of the Revised Code.”
—> Very Interesting the FACTS that are left out of his posts…!! (Read carefully)!
Thanks! But, I thought that I already said that.
You should be aware that you are reading manufactured homes rules only. You will also read that they are using the 2008 NEC. You don’t need a home inspector license to inspect these. They are exempt from Ohio’s home inspector law. And as you just informed everyone, only an ESI can inspect the electrical on a MH.
I have to carry my current cert(s) by law.
Here are some old ones before Ohio adopted a residential code.
I think there is a disconnect between evaluating a panel and performing an electrical inspection as if one were a “code inspector”. The definition of “inspection” is simply to carefully examine or scrutinize something.
From what I gather from all these “laws” is that they do not want people acting like code or safety inspectors in that “official capacity” and signing off on things.
In another way of looking at it, here in GA I am not allowed to perform a county or municipal inspection for a builder and call it a day.
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OK. What qualifications should one have to evaluate an electrical panel, other than a HI?
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You posted this and I personally think this is the spirit of the law. I am sure there are many other examples when the ESI number is required and this type of document must be submitted to the jurisdiction having authority.
I am not going to change your mind. I understand this. But at least I can provide some insight as to why people are calling BS.
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This form is where there is NO AHJ. I use this when the POCO says they won’t turn the power on until it is inspected. This happens only on non-commercial installations.
My point is that Ohio requires you to be competent before you can comment on an electrical installation.If it is properly installed. I am NOT telling you what to do. Just watch what you say and HOW you say it (in Ohio).
(B) The “practice of electrical inspection” includes any ascertainment of compliance with the Ohio building code, or the electrical code of a political subdivision of this state by a person, who, for compensation, inspects the construction and installation of electrical conductors, fittings, devices, and fixtures for light, heat or power services equipment, or the installation, alteration, replacement, maintenance, or repair of any electrical wiring and equipment that is subject to any of the aforementioned codes.
From OBBS:
Well, there it is. An electrician can evaluate a panel without ascertaining code complaince. He can ascertain many things.
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That’s impossible. He can’t inspect it because he has to be licensed as a home inspector. No one can obtain a state residential electrical license. It doesn’t exist. Even if I accepted your argument only the license holder would be allowed to do these inspection. None of his employees would and who do you think would knock on your door? An employee who thinks that he understand electrical.
Your legal opinion is flawed. I have held the certification for over 20 years and your computer time makes you qualified to debate me on Ohio law?
What you and others do is harm InterNACHI and its Ohio inspectors by giving them patently false legal advice. But that’s your right.
Says the man who has not performed a home inspection spouting off all over this board. I really liked your opinion in the plumbing section.
By the way, before your ego is too bruised, this is a good conversation because people can read and draw their own conclusions. Maybe you won the argument and do not even know it.
Agreed.
I still have my License Key for HomeGauge V3, V4, V5 and Companion V5. Lifetime.
I just stopped accepting home inspection appointments because I have no competition in new construction. No one else does what I do.
I have used Home Gauge for years, but it never made me a home inspector.
Oh, so how many did you perform before you stopped accepting them? Because I remember you saying something about that.
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I don’t keep score. I’m not comparing myself to anyone but me. Doing more inspections doesn’t mean that I am better than you at home inspections. Just means I’m older.
Right, it is just software.
Why would an electrician need to be a home inspector to look at electrical work? Certainly more qualified than a generalist.
MP, i don’t understand your comment about home inspectors and carpenters. Framing a house doesn’t mean you would know how the trades install the infrastructure.
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Yes, I posted it. Refer does not mean quote. That’s what trips you up. Did you notice that they didn’t say it was OK to verify proper installation?
Function - operation - relative hazards.
If you said that a conductor was undersize, that’s citing code. Saying that the conductors are 1/0 AL, that’s not citing code. If you said that the bonding screw is missing, that’s citing code. Now, if you said “no bonding screw present”, that’s not citing code.
It is all in what you say. This confuses a lot of people.