Sparky says it's ok

Originally Posted By: tallen
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Sparky says there is nothing wrong with this panel.



What do you think?


[ Image: http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/usrimages/more/100_0548%20(Small)1.JPG ]


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30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Todd,


What do you believe is wrong with this panel?

It looks to me like a re-wire job to a main breaker. Although it was a tad sloppy, I don't really see anything worth pointing out.

What do you see?

Joe Myers


Originally Posted By: tallen
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Joe,


I guess I should of linked to the hi def picture.


Actualy there are 10 AWG wires going to a fifty amp breaker a 14 going to a 20 and I don’t like the grounds all wrapped and spliced with just the 14 AWG going to the ground bar. and it is a sloppy mess.



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30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: tallen
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Here are a couple more from the same house and same person who re-wired that panel.


[ Image: http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/usrimages/more/100_0550%20(Small).JPG ]



[ Image: http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/usrimages/more/100_0555%20(Small).JPG ]


[ Image: http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/usrimages/more/100_0546%20(Large).JPG ]


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30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: rray
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I don’t like looking at pictures and trying to determine something, which is why I usually stay away from posting in these technical areas. You’ll find me more over in the business/marketing/members only/generic sections. I typically read here and absorb the knowledge, but I was asked to respond to this thread so I will.


I don't see anything that I would point out as being specifically problematic. Some yukky, oogy stuff, yeah. Perhaps if I were at the site and saw things more three-dimensionally, or a complete picture, I would.

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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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Part of the “LB” Conduit Body is actually in the panel? Looks like the concentric knockout was removed. No locknut? No equipment grounding, an unsafe situation in any equipment!


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Originally Posted By: tallen
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Thank you Joe,



at least someone is paying attention LOL ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

Those wires feed a sub panel. They are connected to a 50 amp breaker.

It is a 2 wire system .

The sub panel does not float the neutrals and why should it ??


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Originally Posted By: rray
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jtedesco wrote:
No equipment grounding, an unsafe situation in any equipment!

Can you modify the photo to show that also?

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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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The conduit body fitting is not properly secured or connected to the metal cabinet, and it is evident that the raceway EMT “Thinwall” is being used.


If properly secured throughout its run, EMT is one of the wiring methods recognized to serve as an equipment grounding conductor, in this case it is loose and could become an accident (live metal!) waiting to happen!

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The sub panel does not float the neutrals and why should it ??


Because current flow in the neutral or grounded (WHITE) conductor would take parallel paths through the equipment grounding conductors (the raceway, the building structure, or earth, for example) back to the service equipment.

Normal load currents flowing on the equipment grounding conductors could create a shock hazard.

Exposed metal parts of equipment could have a potential difference of several volts created by the load current on the grounding conductors.

Another safety hazard created by this effect, where subpanels are used, is arcing or loose connections at connectors and raceway fittings, for example, creating a potential fire hazard.


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Originally Posted By: Blaine Wiley
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Quote:
Sparky says there is nothing wrong with this panel.


Was the sparky that said that also the seller?

Obvious issues, including amateur workmanship in your other pictures. Did you write in your report that a Real sparky should check the panel and correct? ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)


Originally Posted By: Scott Wilson
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I think it’s time to get a new Sparky!


The LB conduit body is connected to the panel's knockout with an EMT compression connector (The same as is used to connect the conduit to the LB). This leaves a very sharp edge where the wires enter the enclosure.

The equipment grounding conductors are all just twisted together, NOT a secure connection.

There are limited instances where the #10 on a 50Amp breaker are acceptable (Some and only some A/C applications). You'd have to know the load served.


Originally Posted By: tallen
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The load on the 50 was a cooktop icon_eek.gif and it still trips the breaker.


I will explain more when I have time.

Be safe


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30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: tallen
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gone



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30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: rray
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Yes, in two instances: (1) when the Realtor buys something for himself, or (2) when the Realtor gets a real AR Client who demands someone like you, and the Realtor better find you or suffer the consequences.


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