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Originally Posted By: Jay Moge
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did 3 family house today and found 6 joist all had major splits in them, and some old shoring triing to hold floor up, and temp. lally columns. just can’t see why.


[ Image: http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/usrimages/c/crackedjoist3.JPG ]


[ Image: http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/usrimages/c/crackedjoist2.JPG ]


[ Image: http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/usrimages/c/crackedjoist1.JPG ]


[ Image: http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/usrimages/c/crackedjoist5.JPG ]

house was built in the '30s and has field stone foundation and dirt floors.
the roof has slate, rolled, 3 colors of 3 tab, arcatectural, and '50s shaped shingles. 8 pitches in all 7 different roof types. 

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Originally Posted By: Jay Moge
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oh i almost forgot. the room above has about a 6+ inch hump in the middle of the floor lateraly over the main beam. go figure.

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Originally Posted By: mcyr
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Hi. Jay;

This was an oldie wasn't it?
I remember working on some of these when I was a kid working with the old man.

That is the way it used to be done.

It appears that the framing was rough sawn and of 2"x10" notched 3 and 1/2" deep at the 4"x6" sills. It is very common to see these split checks due to the way they used to notch the lumber.
Between the loading and the weakening of the lumber by notching, would crop these check cracks.
In those years the lumber was rough sawn and full 2"x10" and when surfaced on a couple of sides they would loose 1/4", meaning fully planed would be of 1 3/4"x9 3/4".

In latter years, fully dressed lumber became 1 5/8"x 9 5/8" and then in the early 70's, became 1 1/2" x 9 1/4".

It also is obvious there is a dirt floor by evidence of dried mildew and dry rot on some pieces.

Was that 2"x 4" wall added on?
What is supporting it?

I fail to understand how the interior floor would be 6" humped in the center of the floor.

Any ideas for that one?

Surely would recommend an S E on this one. Hopefully it is one that can relate to that time era. Most of the buildings in that time were built to last, but with a few ups and downs. ha. ha.

Marcel

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Originally Posted By: Jay Moge
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hay Marcel.


yup this gem was built in the 1930’s. thats what the re-writen deed said. the original was destroyed in some town hall fire years ago. the 2x4 you see is not actualy a wall, but a make shift shoring system to try to hold up the joists. the 6’’ hump in the floor is due to someone over jacking the main beam to put temp lally columns set too high to begin with. i did call out an S.E., and when i delivered the report today, the client stated he’ll probably still buy the house. the other 2 units (3 family bungalow) were in realy good shape, so hopefully for him all will be fixed. many many other issues too.

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Originally Posted By: mcyr
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Hey Jay;

All we can do is call it out and it is up to the potential buyer to decided what he wants to do.

What ever turns them on is my motto. As long as we have pointed out all the issues.

Ironically, I was going to mention that the floor was over jacked, but was not sure and asked if that two x four wall was added. That was going to be my next response based on the answer. You answered it and now it makes sense.

Thank you and good luck.

Marcel
Comical.

Marcel

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Originally Posted By: Jay Moge
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ah sir Marcel. I thank the.

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Originally Posted By: dandersen
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Those are good pictures to exemplify what excessive notching of the floor joists causes!

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Originally Posted By: Jay Moge
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the buyer called me up yesterday and said he wasn’t buying that house, but he was very impressed with my thorough inspection. he’ll call me for the next one.

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Originally Posted By: mcyr
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Jay;

Sometimes we do get a little gratitude for doing a good job.

Good work, keep it up.

Good luck.

Marcel

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Originally Posted By: dandersen
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Good job,!

That's the way it works!

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Originally Posted By: Jay Moge
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Marcel and Dave, first let me say thank you both for the praise. and second l’d like to say that i did my second “official” inspection under this business name. yup a real chalange, a studio apartment in mint condition. client picked me up and dropped me off after 1 hour of work. felt bad charging normal rate so in the hopes of return business from this investment property beginer i only charged her an hourly rate. $150 an hour seemed like a fair hours work. and i’d also like to say that the 2 of you have earned my utmost respect, not only for your knowlage, but the fact that you both supported me TOGHETHER. concidering your past “conflicts of opinions” i’d say that’s pretty admirable. thanks again guys.

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Originally Posted By: mcyr
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Thanks Jay;

It just goes to show you that a little effort in anything in life can go a long ways.

Marcel

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