I agree. I argued the point of the filters. I don’t know of a material (at least in the residential world) that would filter out airborne gasses.
I never gave ventilation for a gas stove a thought prior to talking to him, let alone if it was the proper amount.
A good analogy…if a filter can capture the combustion gasses and such, we could just put a filter on our tail pipes and take care of the pollution.
1 Like
We do, it’s called a catalytic converter.
3 Likes
That only stops a portion. If that were the case, people wouldn’t die because a car running in the garage.
Greg Neff
Nspect Home Inspections
Strasburg, VA 22657
540-758-3260
True, it takes care of most of the pollution, not all the toxic gasses, but it is a filter you commented on. There are other sources of CO in the home. Anytime you have incomplete combustion you get CO. If the gas stove or oven were a dangerous source of CO many of us, myself included, wouldn’t be here today.
3 Likes
From my experience, I am more concerned about CO from the oven. I have recorded ovens emitting CO at levels of 200+ ppm on numerous occasions.
2 Likes
My question is simple; Why aren’t more people dead?
5 Likes
Bob, don’t misunderstood me. I’m not saying gas appliances are dangerous. My concern is venting and that a simple filter won’t eliminate the airborne dangers. I realize there are plenty of sources of dangers besides the stove. I just don’t agree with not venting to the exterior.
Greg Neff
Nspect Home Inspections
Strasburg, VA 22657
540-758-3260
Venting to the exterior is nice for many reasons, but not always practical. I don’t believe I’ve ever done a town house, for example, with a stove on the exterior wall. High end townhouses may still vent to the exterior despite an inside wall location, but if it wasn’t done when constructed it becomes much more difficult afterward.
Newer homes built to modern insulation specs have a whole new problem when you pump indoor air outside. So now we’re talking about makeup air. The IRC requires a dedicated makeup air system for range hoods that are larger than 400 CFM. The solution for a newer home may be a heat recovery ventilator (HRV) or an energy recovery ventilator (ERV).
In older less well ventilated homes, even with an easily installed outside wall range exhaust, you may have a significant net energy loss. With enough money all problems can be solved, but that’s little consolation to the new home-owner.
So people have to choose…potential loss of life or loss of energy?
Greg Neff
Nspect Home Inspections
Strasburg, VA 22657
540-758-3260
The odds of death from a gas stove are probably significantly less than the odds of death by automobile so I don’t think anyone is making a choice. There is little point in pumping conditioned air outside the home if you can’t replace it economically.
Considering most new homes require make up air, it may be a moot point. Doesn’t it make sense to eliminate any possibilities?
Greg Neff
Nspect Home Inspections
Strasburg, VA 22657
540-758-3260
Sure, don’t drive an automobile.
It’s pretty funny that the equity that society seems to be searching for has been there all along. We all die. When your number comes up there is nothing anyone can do about it. Only vanity makes people think they can avoid the Grim Reaper.
“And which of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life’s span? If then you cannot do even a very little thing, why do you worry about other matters?”
Luke 12:25-26
3 Likes
I have a gas stove, range and oven in my house that I bought 15 or so years ago. I replaced the original one back in 2009 I think. It’s unvented because of the kitchen configuration and I never have given it a second thought about recirculating or exterior venting. We cook on it/in it almost 7 days a week. I have a carbon monoxide detector located approximately 10 feet away that has never gone off while cooking.
I had an electric smoker that I was going to smoke a Boston Butt in one night, but the heating element went out on it. I had to have the Butt for the next day for some type of event, so I decided to oven cook it, low and slow @ 225 degrees…in the gas oven. The smoking part was not an option, but I did put in the oven for an overnight slow cook. The next morning the oven was off. It apparently has a 10-12 hour automatic shutoff, however, I woke up alive, felt fine and I am still here to type this.
3 Likes
I try to start each day that way!
4 Likes
Or cook with gas…heat with an invented fireplace or wall heater? Maybe dont add makeup air in the newer air tight homes when the bath dan is running?
Greg Neff
Nspect Home Inspections
Strasburg, VA 22657
540-758-3260
Amen! “It’s going to be a Great Day Tater!!!”
2 Likes
The justification for this ban comes from this study (in part or whole, not sure)
It will take someone much more educated than myself to break it down into laymen’s terms.
A few things struck me while reading; though health concerns are their “leading talking point”, climate change is all throughout this study.
Another thing I cannot find are actual studies confirming these stoves are causing measurable harm.
Finally, they sealed the kitchens off with plastic before measuring!
1 Like
We dont have many gas ranges around here, but whenever I do come across them, its probably 50% vented, and the others are re-circulated.