Where would you expect to see flashing differently as compared to brick veneer? (specifically at this situation.)
That lick & stick would probably still be on the shaq if the concrete below it didn’t freeze-lift the rock off the wall, combined with the wrong flashing detail, it was destined to fail.
Whats on the front…foam with stucco, or fake limestone?
Condo…we have a lot of this stuff in Scottsdale
I will be sure to follow up on this.
I imagine this is going to end up with them either doing a tuckpoint and prayer or doing some new foundation work and addition of kick outs along with better flashing.
No idea what the expense may be.
If you look at the original corner shot there are pavers stacked at the neighbors side of a busted fence and all the pavers at the back patio are missing…hmmmm.
Guy showed up and said they were his on questioning.
Just gets better.lol
It doesn’t need a foundation. Its needs to be torn off the shaq and installed to industry standards.
That is rough ashlar Quarried stone.
Ashlar are rough to fine finished stone. Also come in manufactured.
It is a poor job to say the lest.
Stone masons are a dieing bread. In Montreal most company’s go over seas to bring in men for the season.
I worked stone but am to old st carry the weight.
That job would not pass in Montreal.
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Thanks Robert.
So far nobody has told me how to tell if it is manufactured…
Can you?
Tap on it, look behind, etc…or look at the Picture you posted—: )
Still looking for an actual answer here Dale.
Anybody?
tap on it and it sounds like stone.(not rolling)
What should it sound like since both types are solid ?
dale the link shows a thin cultured stone that gets adhered on, but this is actual block.
Good question.
Manufactures ashlar are colored. Made with concrete.
The will have a hue to them.
Stone ashlar.
STONE: wet the stone and look for a possible settlement grain, tap for sound they are higher pitched, they are normally gray stone color and not uniform in color depth or appearance. Fine finished ashlar are thousands of dimples 1/4 inch deep like a golf ball the same size and shape from machine air pneumatic hammering, or older ashlar are hand dimpled by the labor, the side are sometimes beveled.
I have never seen fine manufactured ashlar.
Does not mean they do not make it remember.
MANUFACTURED. Pink, green, browns, look for matching patterns in the faces. Remember some may be up side down, you have to be wide in your visual observation.
Tap the stone with a rubber mallet or end of a screw driver, its pitch will be more hollow sounding and deeper in depth, look at the edges for the finish. Mostly they are not beveled.
I wish I could related more to you from my experiences.
I have a book on stone masonry and ashlar.
I will try to remember to extract some examples BOB.
Remind me, I am gaining traction.
3 HI and more a week. Its a slow time. FOR SOME;)
Family member is not ill any more. I have to gain traction this time.
Best I can do in a pinch.
Ah,OK good advice.
I need to study up more on ashlars as I have never heard the term before Robert.
Thanks for the help guys.
I know it is being referred but it certainly helps to have more information .
That is manufactured. I can spot veneer a mile away.
The photo in the #1 post are stone.
Bad job.
He would be off my crew in a heart beat.
The lateral is the plumb.
You drive your lines off the lateral corners always.
Even rough face building needs direction.
Lateral and horizontal lines.
Its a bloody art with rough stone work.
Those are the roughest stones I have ever seen for veneer.
That is retaining wall and step stone.
This is the term I would use to describe it. I might also describe it as an add-on, because it was clearly an afterthought and not very well integrated.
I just thought it looked like manufactured but not sure unless there.
A very uniform color is one give away, another is to knock on it kind of hard, if it really hurts your knuckles its probably real stone.
Around here, the real stone is usually installed by workers with more talent and even with an air gap like brick veneer. The manufactured is installed by anyone who can figure out how to open the crate. The weep screed is needed but leaks have more to do with the quality of the water resistant layering, the amount of wind driven rain and the orientation for sunlight evaporation.
Made with a Plaster like material, Bob…light as hell…
Google Faux Stone…there are many different manufacturers.
Then Google Faux Stone Installation…their all similar in detail…basically like a stucco application only worse if you don’t know how to install it.
Or a completely WRONG installation like you found.
Sorry BOB I did not go down to #1 post.
WOW.
The foundation failed.
That is a lot of weight to carry.
A stone shelf would be anchored into the original foundation.
An engineer would develop the thickness of the shelf lip and anchorage points.
Stone facade.
SUSPECT: Foundation failure.
Improper support.
RECOMMEND: Engineer, Stone mason, GC, evaluation.
Stone facade and structural bump-out.
That is the best technique today Dale.
Light weigh grout Faux stone.
The bump-out could be EFIS AND Faux stone.
Energy efficient and decorative.
I did 1950 Faux marble repair 2 years ago.
It weathered due to lack of maintenance.
Still lighter than marble.
OK so to get all this straight.
The job looks to be poorly masoned,we know they had poor flashing and missing kickouts at the roof,foundation was an after thought with this ashlar(if that is the proper term) not supported by a proper footing or to shallow and at the corner by the way is a downspout not extended.
The separate foundation is just plain obvious and they did use a urethane expansion joint which may be one of the few things done right.
Yes they have moisture barrier sitting on the foundation but no weeps.
I also know if this is a consistent color like I am seeing it is most likely manufactured stone.Usually i am used to dealing with a veneer on older style 50’s homes or a split block which is basically CMU with a rough face so the help is appreciated here guys.
Robert not sure what you mean by stone shelf however as to how that would apply to the separate foundation.
Gotta finish up 3 reports here in the morning/afternoon but this bothered me.
Hate simply referring and though I know we are generalists like to know the fix.
Well you asked the right questions, Condo…good Man…!
Reading up on Faux Stone you’ll be all set for the next one.
Unlike you, we don’t see many split block leaks, it doesn’t rain here enough to matter.