Ahh dude I was just playing , both of my pupils are still in the biz.
I did my parrelles with the best inspector in the Tucson area.
I saw him Friday and he had 2 folks there to do 6 homes in a 4 hour period, not a problem for ASHI’s finest, but he did tell me that ASHI has a MI ( Master Inspector) program were you must be an ASHI member for 10 years, and the way they test you is by haveing some of your peers walk through an inspection with you and listen to what you tell the client and after you get through that there are three tests… Sounds like the bar has been raised.
He also mentioned that ASHI has some thing in the works that will set them apart in a big way.
And if either one is now doing inspections I feel sorry for their clients .
Stay strong we are better of with out that kind of person in this Business.
Roy Cooke
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I cant say that increasing requirements for ride alongs, mandatory meetings, or many other items really raises the bar more than being subjective and arbitrary.
NACHI’s CEU requirements are already quite hign.
I agree, but would it not be prudent for an HI to obtain the knowledge so he knows what he is talking about.?? At least in certain circumstances, he or she would not be so intimitated.!
Don’t you have to know what was noted above to comment on this ??
In deed they should be.
This is Engineering and no doubt about it.
This is where I agree to disagree, All HI’s should have worked in the field of Construction and be able to recognize what is wrong and what is right.
The value of learning and being able to distingquish the difference between observing and knowing what the problem is through all the efforts of the ongoing knowledgeable trade out there is second to none.
I am not insinuating that an HI has to provide the knowledge of a PE or Architect, just stating that knowing the basic knowledge and Education background to understand the concept.
Inspecting as an HI is the easy part, knowing what you are talking about and backing it up is a little more difficult.
Bottom line is that every HI requirements should involve some sort of Architecural learning and Moisture education. Anything else would fall under
RR’s Tech Inspection.
We had A guy who ran a variety store .
He was too smart for that
So he Bought a P2P franchise after there extensive training of ten days He was an expert .
Met him at many meetings ( not NACHI )
I listened to how knowlegable he was and how he was going to make a lot of money and show all the old timers how smart he was and how he new how to sell himself .
Many discount cupons later and giving away expensive trips and BIG TVs .
Strange he no longer answers his phone .
I think to succeed to be a good inspector you should have much constrution back ground .
Lots of mentoring sure increases the learning in a short time .
Sorry to say most of the figures I see this has not been the case for many who wish to become Home Inspectors
I guess that is the main reason why 90% are gone in less then three years.
Create something to show brotherhood, helping each other…etc…
Silhouette of people hand in hand… see what I mean.
Caption could read…
APPROVED NACHI TRAINER
Than each inspector could load the logo onto
their personal web site and we could put it
on the main list also… With Nicks approval.
RE: Paul’s comments about negative hassles that
newbies have with veterans trainers on the list.
Solution:
Have a code of ethics listed on the NACHI TRAINER page.
Complaints would get you de-listed (if verified).
Each TRAINER could list their personal requirements
(ie… price, free, time constraints, dress code, no smoking,
or whatever… the more communication that is posted
in advance would help stop problems after they get
in the car together).
This would help, but it will not make it a perfect world.
The TRAINER page could also contain links to each web site.
Search Engines would like this…
RE: ASHI is planning something big?
Have they been reading Nicks postings on this forum?..:mrgreen:
Please remember that some of us live in areas of the country that might not have economical access to CE unless it is on line. Also remember that you are talking to a world wide group of inspectors where not all have a market of 500 inspections a year.
With all that taken into account – expand out what might be CE’s with the count staying the same. Sort like your original CMI point system but on a smaller scale
Offer the CE’s first and see what is needed and what is taken before requiring it. Radon is not a good seller in some areas of the world – Same deal with air conditioning system
Don’t mess with something that is working esp if it causes more admin overhead for the home office
#1 is goofy, unless we a; stop allowing people to take electric 101, plumbing 101, etc. over and over to qualify, and b; check and enforce the ce requirement.
If you want to think way outside the box, instead of simply passing the entry exam each year, add increasing difficulty levels, decreased amount of time to take the exam, etc. for ongoing years.
#2 is ok, but isn’t advanced supposedly what CMI is all about?
The idea is to increase the knowledge level and capability of the basic home inspector, no?
Blaine that is heresy but also logical, we should be using a different exam for existing members, hell yes even proctored (yes I’ll go wash my mouth out now) :mrgreen:
Well, a proctored exam hosted each year by a local chapter. That could kill two birds with one stone for some… The ones that have a chapter within reasonable distance of them.
How would we do that for those that are just too far away from a chapter… I know a local school. I’m sure it could even be done through a local High School.
As far as a different exam, isn’t the exam different every time you take it now! (I had to say it before Nick did.) We are talking a different list of questions.
Yes, there are many questions in the pool for the test and the questions are different each time. Many of the questions in the pool though are asking the same thing, only with different wording.
Our entrance exam is a basic entry level exam. Perhaps year 2-5 should have a more difficult, more encompassing exam, then year 5-8, and so on. Perhaps guys who’ve been in the business for eons like Dan Bowers who inspected Mount Vernon for George Washington, should write their own.
I would not be in favor of proctoring an exam for current members if it cost them money or made them travel.
Do you really believe we should be under the control of PEs?
Do you really believe that the service we are performing if Engineerng?
Here is is, as the bottom line. we are generalists, not specialists. As souch, we have working knowledge. And working knowledge is based on some training and experienced. And our inspections are non-invasive, and indeed are PRELIMINARY.
If you see a foundation crack, how do you repirt it? Do you observe it? Do you describe it? And do you write it as such? Or, do you offer an opinion on its severity, cause, remedies, etc.
The former is performing an inspection. The latter is the practice of engineering.
Answer my 1st 2 questions, and then address the last scenario.
I think the answer lies in our SOP. This would certainly indicate that general home inspectors should not be under the control, purview, supervision or any thing else by engineers.
II. The inspector is not required to:
E. Provide any engineering or architectural service.
In the grand scheme of it, we all determine the severity of a foundation crack. Simply deciding whether or not to recommend further evaluation entails a decision of whether the crack is nothing, or is significant enough to warrant additional expense by the client for an engineer, contractor, etc.
but also logical, we should be using a different exam for existing members, hell yes even proctored (yes I’ll go wash my mouth out now) :mrgreen: