Wood Gussets 1976 Modular Ranch Home?

Some things are so fundamental that they shouldn’t require any explanation. The guy should have been asking himself from the start how today’s standards are in any way relevant to a house from an earlier era.

Furthermore, we are there to inspect the condition of the home, not to critique or criticize the way things were done in the past. There are, of course, some exceptions. If, for example, a particular material were found to have a failure rate that increases with age, that would be worth mentioning if the material in question were likely to fail in the foreseeable future. Things such as single strand aluminum branch circuit wiring is another notable exception because we have learned over time that the failure rates are unacceptably high.

Whether we like it or not, there are times when an inspector has to actually think. It seems that many inspectors are moving in the direction of wanting a set answer to cover every situation and most of those answers are meaningless. They provide no real value to the customer.

A good home inspector should have sufficient knowledge and understanding of construction spanning not less than 200 years and how homes age. Then, they need to have the skill to put everything into proper perspective for the customer. What possible value would saying “This 50 year old house was not built to 2023 standards” have? Duh! Of course it wasn’t! The World is changing fast. Even the dumbest home buyer understands that something built 50 years ago wouldn’t have been built to 2023 standards. Telling them that is condescending at best.

When we did our monthly Buyer/Seller workshops, one of the most common comments I heard from both buyers and sellers about home inspectors is that inspectors talked down to them.

During my presentation, I would ask everyone, by a show of hands, who had had an experience with a home inspection, either as a buyer or a seller. I would then ask them to raise their hand if they would characterize the experience as positive. I then asked for a show of hands if they thought it was negative.

We did close to 100 of our seminars. We typically had between 50 and 100 participants. We did a few special larger events. Each event included a social hour (or two) after the main event. That’s when I learned the most. There were times when I felt like I was the punching bag for the entire home inspection community. People would really unload on me, one on one. It was obvious that their frustration with their inspectors had festered over time.

More than a few people were quick to point out to me that while the home inspector was being condescending toward them the inspectors very often couldn’t compose a proper English sentence.

We did our seminars for a lot of people over a span of a lot of years. When I first started asking participants to characterize their home inspection experiences, the clear majority said that they were favorable. Towards the end, the number of attendees who characterized the experience as being negative had grown considerably, to the point where they were overwhelmingly the majority.

Time after time, I heard the same complaints about inspectors. Inspectors being condescending, either in person or in their reports, was one of the complaints I heard most often. The other was the reports themselves. Their again, in the early days, there weren’t so many complaints. In fact, I don’t think I ever heard a complaint about reports for the first couple years we did the seminars. As time went on, the complaints about reports grew at an alarming rate. The complaints about inspectors in general also began to grow at an alarming rate.

I’m on the verge of retirement and turn down more jobs than I accept, so I am not directly affected much by bad inspectors. I will, however, continue to teach and publish software for the foreseeable future.

One of the things I tell inspectors that I help is to treat every customer with respect and dignity. Putting things like comments about standards being different today are like saying to the customer “I think that you’re so damned stupid that I better spell out for you what almost every breathing human being already knows”. I think I might have had a buyer put it to me that way once in one of our seminars.

It needs to stop!

Glad you got it off your chest, George…

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Yes, and they still do. Modular homes are subjected to a lot of stresses during transport. Transporting a modular home is like subjecting it to a prolonged minor earthquake. Sometimes, they are transported hundreds of miles. They are reinforced to withstand the road trip from the factory to its final location.

They often have additional bracing (gussets, etc.) that would not necessarily needed in a site-built home. Those elements are usually incorporated into the design of the home. They are not intended to be removed.

Some installers remove the additional bracing. I’ve known a couple modular home dealers. They don’t remove any bracing even though they are told which things can or cannot be removed. Their philosophy is, why remove something that adds strength, regardless of why it was put there? The gussets in your photos look to me to be typical of gussets that are incorporated into the design and are intended to be there. You could very well see a modular home built in 2023 that looks like the home in your photos.

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So did anybody see they only stapled the those chintzy Louan type plywood gussets at the top with one nail at the bottom?

And Just to be clear on this for Mr.Wells !

I don’t know what sparked the long description of inspector’s talking down to clients—

But I’m a Faithful Follower of Jesus Christ and I’ve Never Ever Done that or would ever think of doing that!
As a matter of fact on the back of my business cards is the “Golden Rule “

However I know exactly what you’re talking about since I’ve been told by many agents and other inspectors I’ve trained with!

Some Home Inspectors think they have some Kind of Power or Authority! In this State of Pennsylvania Home Inspectors have Absolutely No Authority whatsoever! Just meaning I can’t make anyone DO anything!
I’m just providing a Friendly Service to people Buying homes like any other contractor!
I’ve been working in the Construction Industry my whole life (over 30yrs )
I was mostly a Roofer n Siding contractor but I have a friend in every area of the home construction industry!
Many I’ve worked for over the years!

This forum helps me to be a better Home Inspector- I’m not a know it all type person!
Atleast I try not to be !

Somewhere in this subject we’ve been talking about. I’ve mentioned the fact that Homeowners sometimes change the wooden gussets or create their own type wooden gussets on modular home truss system…And I’ve never seen Ones as Skimpy or Chintzy as these !
So that s what my question basically was!!

And since they looked so thin I was thinking I should comment on that!
And not being in accordance with current standards is way of doing that!

If the client doesn’t understand what that means then they should call me about it! And many times when they are not present during the inspection they will call on certain comments !

So that’s a little more information about me n how I run my business!

I’m grateful for all who logged in to discuss this and I meant no disrespect to anyone and never would do that intentionally!
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God Bless and Be safe inspecting !

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  1. Required Reporting.
    (a) The home inspection report shall include the following:
  1. A report on any system or component inspected that, in the opinion of the home inspector, is significantly deficient

(6) General Exclusions.
(a) Home inspectors are not required to report on:

  1. Life expectancy of any component or system;
  2. Compliance or non-compliance with adopted codes, ordinances, statutes,
    regulatory requirements or restrictions
  3. Determine the effectiveness of any system installed
  4. Predict future condition, including but not limited to failure of components
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I would change “Some inspectors” to “Too many inspectors”. Too many inspectors overstep their bounds. That’s a black eye on the entire inspection community.

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In a 2024 build.

If you could post pictures that click to enlarge so we can home in on details, that would be helpful.

Sorry Larry. I was highlighting the particle boards. It’s almost like they used a couple of on the fly large gusset plates or extra reinforcement. I’ve never seen something like them in new construction. I don’t have other images that are larger.

sounds like they were uploaded and then you selected the 25% option.

I’ve seen something similar where those horizontal boards extend through to a front decorative dormer/fascia thing. The difference was the horizontal boards had metal brackets that attached to the trusses. I guess the idea was they used those OSB gusset boards to help the wind facing trusses resist lateral load. Hard to say what we’re looking at here.

It could also just be something used during building to make sure they had a solid, square and plumb point to build off of.

Take better pictures next time if you have a question. What you have is an additional reinforcement for piggy back trusses. See detail E in the pdf.

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To expand on what Yu posted, they appear to be piggyback trusses with the OSB used for alignment and wind resistance:

Thanks I appreciate the responses. It’s good to know that it’s okay for them to be used. I’ve been in thousands of attics and while I’ve been in older homes that have plywood gussets and bracing I haven’t seen this in new construction before. Always more to learn!