I posted this in the Florida section since I’m in FL and wanted to hear from other here but got no answer. Maybe anyone else that does four point inspections can answer. I wanted to get your opinion on if you report older 2 prong ungrounded outlets on your four point inspections? If present, do you report it as a deficiency ? Do you just make a comment stating that they are present ? Or do you not report it at all ? Thanks !
No! Not at all …
It’s not top on my list of things to point out but when I do report it I use this statement.
Older two- slot receptacles are in the building. It is recommended that older two-slot outlets be updated to the newer grounded three-slot outlets where possible, and that the three-slot to two-slot adapters not be used on any outlet.
FYI: This receptacle, similar to most of the receptacles in the home, is a two wire/ungrounded receptacle. There is nothing wrong with this type of receptacle. Should you need to have a 3 prong receptacle with ground, the National Electric Code recommends installing GFCI Type receptacles in these situations.
A situation that all to often accompanies ‘two slot’ outlets and may be more significant than their lack of ground is simply their number. Older homes with these outlets simply do not have enough outlets. The result is extension cords and power strips that are frequently overloaded.
As has been said before 2 prong outlets are fine. Grounded outlets aren’t needed as much as they used to due to how motors are manufactured now.
Take a look around your house and see how many grounded appliances, tools, etc you have.
It is better to have a two prong receptacle on an ungrounded branch circuit, than to have a three prong receptacle on an ungrounded branch circuit. A three prong is considered deception in that situation, because whomever is using it are under the illusion they are using a grounded receptacle. Lets face it there are hundreds of thousands of houses in the US that were built before the 60"s and most still have original wiring. Installing a GFCI receptacle on an ungrounded circuit does absolutely nothing as far as I know to ground it, except cost you a lot more money.
He was wanting to know if it should be noted on a Florida 4 Point report.
This isn’t a home inspection. It is an insurance inspection.
Yes Roy is correct, I understand everything you guys are saying and really appreciate your feedback. On my inspection reports I don’t make a big deal of it like a lot of you have said I just simply note it letting the client know they are present, but I’m asking specifically in the four point report, for the insurance. I’ve ran into this a lot in the past few days and what I’ve been doing is as long as there are no hazards in the panel I mark the electrical satisfactory and if they have the 2 prong receptacles I was making a note of it in the comments. Just stating they are present. But an agent recently made a big deal of that, even though I had marked the electrical satisfactory, she took my comment as a deficiency so I was just wondering if other inspectors that do four point inspections even note it at all when present.
I don’t. …
Absolutely adding gfci to ungrounded wiring does nothing but trigger the interrupt at the slightest deviation.
I don’t understand the agents thinking. Those receptacles can still be purchased. If you want to start getting very precise with your inspection you can start noting all the outlets that are not tamper resistant in rooms required (recommended) They are labeled TR. They cost more so electricians and homeowners don’t install them even in New installs.
How does a new installation pass an electrical inspection if the required TR devices aren’t installed?
Good question. My towns building inspector didn’t even know how to open the disconnect box . He stated shows you how much I inspect electrical.
LOL, that is funny.
What’s wrong with what’s shown in the photo, plate is not thick enough?
The only nail protection is at one side of the stud locations. The boring is too large for the stud. No nail protection on the other side of wall. I am not sure if a stud shoe exists for this application. LoL
AC cable would have the same requirements as NM cable when going through a bored hole in wood.
I concur. They could of readily ran the wiring vertical. My point was they should not have bored through the stud.Good point on the thickness of the plate.
Anyway happy inspecting.
I am pretty sure I am more picky than most building inspectors.