Oh Bruce, I don’t know where to begin with that one. I’m going to just assume that you are kidding.
Not kidding at all.
Are you a worried 1-hour inspector? :mrgreen:
Since any ASTM standard is voluntary, there is no reason to think one would be more enforceable than ones that are on the books in licensing states.
Add that the development of the standard would have so may hands in it that have nothing to do with home inspection. Those who wish to have us under their thumb (RE) or do us harm (NAHI) can participate in developing the standard.
Oh, the answer is no. I am not worried about 1-hour wonders. Our state does deal with them as they are discovered. Some do inspections in areas noboby wants to go.
Not to mention ‘on the job’ training, at the client’s expense.:mrgreen:
Blaine Wiley writes:
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Sure, do 250 $100 inspections to get your time in and you can then take a test and become a full member.
jburkeson writes:
The Jerry Peck Candidate to Full-Member formula in a nutshell. He was kind enough to personally lay it out for me back in 03’.
Exactly. That is why associations that require a certain amount of unsupervised, done-right-or-wrong, inspections harm consumers and our industry (through what I call inspection dumping).
Exams with too many difficult questions also harm consumers, and may even lead to their deaths: http://www.nachi.org/examsthatharm.htm
And associations requiring proctored exams in unlicensed states (where not everyone is forced to take them) also harms consumers and leads to their deaths by failing horribly to alert most of the unqualified inspectors (most newbies in unlicensed states enter the industry without voluntarily taking proctored exams) of how little they actually know. Remember, the biggest consumer killer out there is not the incompetent inspector who knows he’s incompetent, but rather the incompetent inspector who doesn’t know he’s incompetent.
Again, associations that require their come-only-with-cash associates to go out and screw over a certain number of poor, unsuspecting consumers by requiring a certain number of unsupervised, unqualified fee-paid inspections KILL CONSUMERS as do associations that require proctored exams in unlicensed states. NACHI requires proctored exams where everyone has to pass them by law, not in unlicensed states where it makes no sense to fail to alert and help educate incompetent newbies who can otherwise open up for business tomorrow anyway… and as Blaine and Joe pointed out… charge $100.
But but but A$HI has a P-R-O-C-T-O-R-E-D exam! How how how can we be confident that the user didn’t cheat the test when it is not done under the supervision of a greasy-faced college student who is watching a televised baseball game in another room? Certainly, there is no way that someone else with a fake ID could pass the kindergarten test on behalf of a “home inspector” that couldn’t! And it is just plain rediculous to assume that the minimum wage attendee hired 3 weeks ago wouldn’t notice some kind of elaborate cheating scheme!
Proctoring- it provides the same security for testing as licensing does for the consumer of home inspection services!
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I must agree, no association has a perfect solution and none will be forthcoming; those of us who by most standards are honest will remain honest and those of us who go through life cheating at every opportunity will also continue in their course, the problem is as old as mankind and will be with us as long as men walk the earth. I suggest we get over it and move on.
The NHIE - the Transportation Security Administration of the HI industry.
“Did you pack your own bags?” Excuse me, Mrs. 89 year old grandmother, but you have been ‘randomly’ selected for further screening. That’s alright Achmed bin Dumb A$$, I am letting you on the plane after making a spectacle of yourself in the waiting area by loudly praying to Allah. Can’t ‘racial profile’ you know.
In the words of Justice Robert H. Jackson in his minority dissent to *Terminiello v Chicago *(1949) “The choice is not between order and liberty. It is between liberty with order and anarchy without either. There is danger that, if the court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact.”
I recently went and picked up my Florida State Public Adjustors license at one of those centers for such examinations. There were two old ladies in tennis shoes attending the place that issued my license, meanwhile there were folks in the next room taking an exam. There was no proctoring going on. There was a small glass window so you could see into the room but as far as these two women were concerned you could have been having a tomato orgy in the next room and they would not have noticed. All these hockey about “proctored exams” is a joke. Basically, all they do is watch the clock and at the end of the period they hustle in and take up the exams. There is about as much scrutiny taking place as there is at the bingo parlor down the street, probably less.