dduffy
(Dale Duffy)
June 23, 2008, 7:01pm
1
Carl,
Very seldom - :shock: - do I see stucco applied like this, it does not seem to crack when installed in this fashion…I wonder why all builders here don’t do it this way?------:twisted:—:D—:D—:D—:D—
I had to get you’re blood boiling a little—Sorry----:D—:D—:D—
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i247/badstucco1/62308049.jpg
bdoles2
(Brian K. Doles)
June 23, 2008, 7:18pm
2
That’s like finding a needle in a haystack!
dduffy
(Dale Duffy)
June 23, 2008, 7:20pm
3
Oh man Brian, you got that right—:D-:D-:D-:D-
dvalley
(David Valley, License #566 - CMI)
June 23, 2008, 7:57pm
4
With the control joints…that could be PM EIFS/hybrid stucco . It absolutely looks like stucco but its polymer non-cementious based.
I’m curious…Did you knock on it?
bdoles2
(Brian K. Doles)
June 23, 2008, 8:06pm
5
I don’t see a lot of stucco around here, the stuff I do see is on a small scale. Not the entire house just a small section, a detail or two.
Dave, educate me on how you can tell it’s polymer non-cementious based, just from the photo.
Thanks!
dvalley
(David Valley, License #566 - CMI)
June 23, 2008, 8:18pm
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bdoles2:
I don’t see a lot of stucco around here, the stuff I do see is on a small scale. Not the entire house just a small section, a detail or two.
Dave, educate me on how you can tell it’s polymer non-cementious based, just from the photo.
Thanks!
I can’t…that’s why I asked if it was knocked on. The exterior coat of the polymer based stucco is not thick at all. When you tap on it, it sounds hollow compared to solid stucco.
bdoles2
(Brian K. Doles)
June 23, 2008, 8:21pm
7
Sorry, I misunderstood your comment!
cbrown1
(Carl A. Brown)
June 23, 2008, 8:22pm
8
Control joints!!
Must have worked on that wall before the BEER JOINT!
But still no backer rod and sealant joint around the window!
dvalley
(David Valley, License #566 - CMI)
June 23, 2008, 8:32pm
9
Carl,
With all your education in STUCCO, I’d like to see you come out with an educational video series on iNACHI TV.
cbrown1
(Carl A. Brown)
June 23, 2008, 8:40pm
10
David,
That would never fly!
The folks at ASTM have their heads in dark places!
And the bulk of stucco problems can be linked to windows,flashing,and last but not least moisture barriers! Please do not get me started about AAMA!
All of these are not installed by stucco contractors yet stucco gets the bad rap!
Here is a link to the control joint!
http://amico-lath.com/lath/expansion_control_joint.htm
cbrown1
(Carl A. Brown)
June 23, 2008, 8:46pm
11
Thanks DALE!!! ](,) ]( ,) ](*,)
dvalley
(David Valley, License #566 - CMI)
June 23, 2008, 9:05pm
12
cbrown1:
David,
That would never fly!
The folks at ASTM have their heads in dark places!
And the bulk of stucco problems can be linked to windows,flashing,and last but not least moisture barriers! Please do not get me started about AAMA!
All of these are not installed by stucco contractors yet stucco gets the bad rap!
Here is a link to the control joint!
http://amico-lath.com/lath/expansion_control_joint.htm
Carl,
I’m referring to…
http://www.nachi.org/advancedcourses.htm
cbrown1
(Carl A. Brown)
June 23, 2008, 9:13pm
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But the ex-perts in the various parts of the industry would say it was
mis-information. I would not want INACHI to get a black eye for my opinions!
I think it was INACHI TV #33 that made my blood boil when I watched it.
cbrown1
(Carl A. Brown)
June 23, 2008, 9:33pm
14
If homeowners could sue the city’s for it would change things alot!
They do not need to because they sue the HI.
And thats getting easier to do by what I have been reading here!
dduffy
(Dale Duffy)
June 24, 2008, 12:12am
15
Hi Dave,
Here we use Styrofoam, barrier, chicken wire(:D), base coat cement stucco, finish coat cement stucco, paint, but VERY seldom do I see control joints, which is why the stucco cracks all to hell here usually.
I push the palm of my hand against walls between studs to make sure there is 3/8ths of an inch of final product, which is required, sometimes the palm of my hand goes through the wall, Oops----:D…I have been doing it for so long I know the feel—
Which means there is not 3/8ths of an inch----
But I only push good and hard on new construction----:D…so the builder can come and re-stucco the entire house, damn, does that make them mad for some reason—
Older homes I knock and push normally----
mcyr
(Marcel Cyr, CMI)
June 24, 2008, 12:25am
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So Dale, are you saying this one was done right because of the control joints?
The only thing that caught my eye was the caulking joint around the window and seems like the window sill is buried in the finish.
Just curious.
badair
(Barry Adair, EIFSTX#39)
June 24, 2008, 12:56am
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Didn’t know you had it in ya…
Marcel,
Getting a little picky aren’t we?
cbrown1
(Carl A. Brown)
June 24, 2008, 12:56am
18
mcyr:
So Dale, are you saying this one was done right because of the control joints?
The only thing that caught my eye was the caulking joint around the window and seems like the window sill is buried in the finish.
Just curious.
He only found them on one window thats why there is only 1 picture!
badair
(Barry Adair, EIFSTX#39)
June 24, 2008, 12:59am
19
CB,
Correction, only bottom half of one window :shock:
cbrown1
(Carl A. Brown)
June 24, 2008, 1:03am
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Thanks Barry!
He has me seeing red again!
Do you think he is getting pictures from somewhere else??