Claude Lawrenson Re: Post August 27/12

Local Inspection Issues Canadian Home Inspectors
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Claude, I apologize for this tardy response. No, I have not had the pleasure of a peer review.

I find it somewhat distasteful to write a cheque for $1,000. to someone whom I consider my equal. I would no more pay you for some obscure acronym behind my name than I would pay Nick for the initials CMI. At least Nick is honest in his endeavours!

The age old question: Who tested the inspector? Larry certifies Curly and Curly certifies Moe!

My qualifications can be obtained at:
www.jeffreyhomeinspection.com

When I opted to become a home inspector I naively joined the Ontario Association of Home Inspectors. I travelled to Toronto (the center of the universe in Canada) and wrote the two or three introductory examinations and passed with flying colours. I respectfully declined to attend the classes for these examinations. Then I was required to send in two test inspection reports. These were examined and returned with the added comment “Quite good reports!”. I obtained the DVD for the Defect Recognition Course. That turned out to be an aggrieves theft of $20.00. I do not know who had the brass balls to think that piece of tripe was worth 20 cents never mind twenty dollars!

This process took something like 10 months to accomplish and at long last I was permitted to tell the world that I was an “Applicant” and was permitted to advertise the coveted logo for OAHI. I was on my way!

But wait, now I was told that I must go back to school, spend a considerable amount of my money (earned in the construction business) and be taught the art of construction by taking the Building Code 9.

I wrote to OAHI and requested that I be considered something of an “Old Geezer”, possibly undergo a verbal examination (written if desired) and forgo the classroom schooling. NO WAY!

The simple answer to NO WAY: NO ONE MAKES ANY MONEY!

This whole scenario with all the acronyms and all the players, you included is MONEY! As Kevin O’Leary says: “SHOW ME THE MONEY”!

NOW HERE IS MY OFFER:

You set up a peer review and let me inspect the house of your choice in the London & St. Thomas area. A typical listing on the MLS. I will do my normal inspection of three to four hours with written report submitted within 24 hours.

I will use YOUR reporting system as sold under YOUR company ‘INSPECTION SUPPORT SERVICES’. Remember the old saying: ‘SHOW ME THE MONEY’!

Let’s make it clear here and now that you benefit from the inspection business by selling inspection material to working home inspectors rather that performing acutal inspections.

Secondly, you do the same inspection! You should pass with flying colours as it will be one of your chosen cronies (old boys club) who will adjudicate the inspection!

If I should pass, I will allow you to pay for the TIPR or whatever the acronym. I will call it a day and go merrily on my way. If perchance I should fail, I will pay the cost and become one of your most vocal supporters in this area.

I trust you will provide a fair, honest and unbiased test inspector?

P.s. How come no press release after last Wednesday? Possibly someone or two received a subtle slap on the wrist?

P.p.s. Let’s do a century home with a lot of interesting features and we can compare notes over a cup of coffee!

Kindest Regards:

Bryce Jeffrey
FSYE

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BINGO ,

Bryce you are the man .
You have posted a lot of true great information .
Much appreciated .
Unfortunately I was not as smart as you and I donated a lot of time ,Money and effort To OAHI.
.I was told by one of the directors he makes more money from teaching then he does from home Inspections .
I was also told OAHI could not survive if the did not have all the courses and sell all of the information packages.
I am told they are hurting for funds ,Now that INFO does not surprise me .

Thanks again Bryce all the best… Roy

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Bryce… thank you for alerting the inspection community to this.

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I was waiting for this too Nick. Thanks also now come on over you are welcome to help with OntarioAchi.
Free to you Bryce knowing the struggles laid in front of you.
We want to follow CCHI format.

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Thanks Bryce for your response. Your points are well taken.

Would the same hold true of any certification? As an example how did I get my CMI? Did I actually apply for it, or was it “bestowed” upon me? Why did I relinquish it?

Even Roy and Raymond know the facts to that answer about the CMI received by myself and another Canadian home inspector. The question is could there be more?

On another note your treatment by OAHI is unfortunate, but certainly out of my hands. Hey - I even have been on the outs with them…so just one more person in the line of unhappy members…

Another FACT: Since some seem to think they know more about the business of ISS I offer - in the last 2 years I have not earned money off of education and training for home inspectors. You see some know where to draw the line.

In fact any monies earned was corporate monies for selling home inspection reports. Money that was reinvested in reprinting a new updated version of the “report” system and our own dedicated server.

So distorting FACTS is a prime M.O. of those that believe they have the FACTS and have the power and authority to publicly slander others!

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Claude, read his post slower and read past the first paragraph. Although he starts off mentioning CMI… he isn’t complaining about CMI.

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Regarding the meeting last Wednesday - ask your rep. All I can say is it was mutually agreed that NO meeting minutes would be released.

BTW: No wrists were slapped - perhaps Nick can provide you and his members with information.

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Two issues of importance to me were discussed at the meeting:

I brought up the first issue: The fact that CSA charges (it’s how they make profit) for it’s intellectual property which means we all would be prohibited from linking to the SOP on our websites. I of course am opposed to this as it is anti-consumer to be unable to point to our SOP and to let the consumer know that we don’t smash down drywall with sledge hammers as part of the service we provide.

The other point of importance to me that was made at the meeting was that CSA has no plans whatsoever to create a national certification. The CSA representatives where very forceful (Gee… I wonder why?) in emphasizing this point. This issue was initially brought up by Allen Cavdek.

The rest of the meeting was pretty boring.

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I find this very interesting ("The other point of importance to me that was made at the meeting was that CSA has no plans whatsoever to create a national certification ") .
Bill and Claude have from the get go been telling us we better get on their program or be left behind .
They keep saying Licensing is just around the corner .
This has gone on for years and unfortunately many have spent a lot of time and money helping to feed Bill and Claude 's wants .

[size=4]Please Remember Whistler
http://www.nachi.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4935
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Bill has a big anouncement comming soon
http://www.nachi.org/forum/showpost.php?p=166560&postcount=103

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I guess this opens the way for the CCHI in Ontario.
No license is needed though just the bare minimum requirements of all InterNachi Inspectors practicing at this time in Ontario.
One SOP that follows what is in place in Alberta and a little added schooling from CAN NACHI for those wanting a little edge.
http://www.cannachi.org/inspector-education

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OMG
You trash Claude for ,as you say , making money from inspectors by selling training!

Allen has a school in Acton his only income, I dare say, comes from teaching home inspection.

You are a peice of work:twisted:

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There is a big Difference between the two but I will allow Nick to explain this in more detail.
I am a piece of Work! Thanks for compliment.

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I see nothing wrong with Claude or others selling .
I do feel he and them should be at arms length in making decesions that can influance our industry.
We are not talking about Allen .

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How is there a difference Kevin? They are both doing the same thing!!

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Thanks for bringing me up to speed on Whistler again buddy. (6/2/06, 9:00 AM)
Shame on Allen C. and Bill.
For shame…

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No they are not!
I said I will allow Nick to explain this…
Let me ask you this Jim
Who speaks the most for CANADA as far as influence?
NHICC or CAN NACHI.

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No one at InterNACHI is running around to the media, giving presentations, producing press releases, or posting on message boards… falsely claiming that you have to become a CMI or you will be out of business.

Big difference IMHO.

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You made the statement not Nick so you should answer it. I never hear anything anywhere about CAN NACHI

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CanNACHI is virtually non-existent. The only posts that appear on their message board are from various spammers and bots.:twisted:

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Look at the schools they recommend and look at the Home Inspectors locations across CANADA. It is true that they are very much silent but InterNachi is an accepted school to them.
Alberta has already got the government to recognize them RHI and CMI.
What more can be said.
CSA has no interest in supporting just one Association or Certifying one body at anytime ever.
It will not work for InterNachi, CanNachi or OntarioAchi
I can’t speak for George Luuk but I feel he will agree also.
This MB is InterNational and Can Nachi inspectors don’t need to go to the website there is enough in all the others.
US and Canada.
They all work for a living and the cost is not anymore than being InterNachi. They also have good benefits.
A MB means nothing to allot of Professionals it is just a place to ask ?s and get answers.
YURI I know you are proud of your CANADIAN flag but it has come with much controversy.