Originally Posted By: bgraham
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whats wrong with this picture?
whats wrong with this picture?
Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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Which way is up?
Originally Posted By: bgraham
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the bow tie is the top
Originally Posted By: rdawes
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1. There is too much of the service conductors jammed in there (the bowtie).
2. The main neutral is not marked with white tape.
3. White wires used as hot leads are not marked with black tape.
4. There is a LOT of paint overspray in the box but not on the breakers which suggests there is paint on the bus bars.
5. The neutrals and grounds are intermixed.
6 Possibly some double tapping of the neutral bus bar (can't really tell very well from the photo).
7. Can't tell from the picture if there is a bonding screw connecting the neutral bus bar and the grouning equipment conductor bus bar.
That's my 2 cents...
Ron
Originally Posted By: Thomas Ogryski
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If this panel contains the service disconnet then the main bonding jumper is definitely missing. this panel is new enough that it would be a green colored screw and would be located just above the left side neutral bus. Also, there does not appear to be any grounding electrode conductors (for ground rods, water lines).
As pointed out above, neutrals & equipment grounds cannot double up in the same terminal, one hole = one neutral. If I was the original inspector, I'd want to see the calculation that alllows for such a small neutral (old rule of thumb was 2 sizes smaller than phase conductors, but I don't much like rules of thumb).
Tom
Originally Posted By: bgraham
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thomas, the missing ground was my biggest concern on this panel. it is an underground service and no ground rods any where, but all the outlets test ok for ground. how can that be?
Originally Posted By: brian winkle
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They are grounded at the panel, to the neutral. Ground rods have nothing to do with circuits being grounded.
Originally Posted By: James D Mosier
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Lot’s of good answers about what’s wrong electrically, but to answer the question “What’s wrong with this picture?”
It's too friggen' big
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Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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The glaring error is the lack of a ground electrode conductor.
The rest of the stuff may have been hold your nose legal when the panel was wired. The bonding screw is there but it is silver. Old Square Ds were not always green.
Originally Posted By: pdickerson
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Greg,
I thought that a neutral wire and ground wire under one screw was never code. Also, what about the overspray?
Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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Until the 2002 code (408.21) it was only a 110.3 (manufacturer’s instruction) thing.
If the manufacturer didn’t say it was bad it was legal.
Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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I am betting they painted that panel. It seems it was masked well. If the equipment inside was not compromised it is OK.
Originally Posted By: bgraham
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sorry james new camera, but it is in focus.
Originally Posted By: rdawes
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Again, it’s hard to tell from the picture but, it appears to have overspray on the spare breaker contacts at the right end and obviously has a lot inside the box. I’d want an electrician to pull the breakers and look for overspray under them.
Originally Posted By: Steven Brewster
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I came across this panel today. The neutral is not sized properly?
This is a main panel.
[ Image: http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/usrimages/P/P1020228.JPG ]
[ Image: http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/usrimages/P/P1020233.JPG ]
Originally Posted By: bgraham
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does everyone note weather or not there is an inspection sticker on the panel, or water heater for that matter?
Originally Posted By: bkelly2
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neither
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Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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Inspection stickers are not used around here but you can pump the strap number (real estate parcel identifier) into the county web site and get about 20 years of permit history. The swamps of Florida are in the 21st century.
Originally Posted By: ecrofutt
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Ya know. I’m just not going to screw around scrolling back and forth trying to read this post.
To bad the picture was not posted as a link so that wouldn't be necessary.
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Erby Crofutt
B4U Close Home Inspections
Georgetown, Kentucky
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Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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When I really feel like “screwing around” with a picture like this I paste it into my picture editor. Then I can zoom in on things and do it in another window.