Originally Posted By: tallen This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
rbennett wrote:
Oh yes - questions
IMO FABI is just trying to start something without thinking.
With their membership requirements to be 250 having something to do with FL license is like saying that one must catch so many fish to obtain a fishing license.
Lets keep expressing our thoughts to the leg . Perhaps it is time to get realtors involved. They seem to want professional HI's
rlb
I caught thousands of fish before I ever had to pay for an Oregon fishing licence. 
-- I have put the past behind me,
where , however, it now sits, making rude remarks.
Originally Posted By: bkelly1 This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
jbushart wrote:
This might explain:
Once upon a time, there was a group of Florida building inspectors who made a living doing code inspections of commercial properties. Some of them were engineers while others held other credentials, but they were all building inspectors.
One day, they decided that they would form an association and they named their association after themselves. It was called the Florida Association of Building Inspectors.
As time went on, these building inspectors noticed that another market and profession had developed for private residential buildings, called home inspections. Home inspectors were making quite a bit of money and the building inspectors looked upon this new market with envy.
"I'd like to have that kind of steady work too" they said to each other "but at our higher commercial prices." So they set out to do exactly that.
First, they opened the doors to their association to some of the home inspectors who were able to pass an entrance exam that they created. The small group of home inspectors who joined the association formed by the building inspectors considered themselves to be credentialed as well, striclty by association. Then, with this small number of home inspectors on board, they pretended to be a home inspector association instead of a building inspector association.
Now, since many of them were technical in their backgrounds, they needed to invent the concept that ALL of their "fellow home inspectors" needed to have the same background so that they could all tap into this new market at the commercially higher rate. They spread out to various message boards, preaching the need to become proficient at knowing the various national and international building codes in order to accomplish a basic home inspection. They tallied the number of years that their average member had been in business and preached that, in order to do a basic home inspection, an inspector must match that level of experience. Aside from their own members and a handful of followers, not too many other people bought into their plan.
"I have an idea," said one. "Let's pretend that this is all in the interest of the consumer's welfare instead of our own greed." He discussed it with the others and soon they were all on board. "In the interest of the consumer, these measures need to be made the standard and to do so, they need to become law." And thus, it became a chartered standard that all members of this association were required to support the need for a law.
Meanwhile, consumers continued to choose the home inspectors who charged reasonable fees instead of the building inspectors. This infuriated some of them.
"What shall we do? The government refuses to believe that the consumer needs to have our standards set as the minimum acceptable?"
Soon, they decided to select another home inspector association called ASHI and began to incorporate those standards into their own association.
"Now, no one will be able to tell the difference. Maybe now we will look more like home inspectors and be able to fool the legislators into thinking that our ideas represent those of home inspectors in Florida."
And so they continued into the next legislative section...their thirteenth try in as many years.
To be continued...
Is this proven fact, or one persons interpretation? Many here complain of NACHI bashing and their unproven arguments. Are these arguments proven? QUESTION ASKED
Originally Posted By: jburkeson This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
gbell wrote:
Come on now Joe don't let to much out of the bag just yet.
It would be much better of you just wait until it is announced by DBPR.
Hi Greg,
Hope everything is well with you and your family, you were missed this weekend. I am sharing this information because there a few forward thinking inspectors here who will take advantage of this opportunity to join FABI under the existing guidelines. Joining some organizations is strictly a business decision, others are joined out of dedication to the profession and personal growth.
-- Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)
?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Originally Posted By: tallen This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
gbell wrote:
Todd,
After my experince with this issue and NACHI last year it was very easy to look at things differently.
If I understand you correctly, I do not blame you for wanting to keep it hush hush.
Maybee this should be offline, but from what I see you are going to turn the screws on new inspectors in your area and basically cut off the future compitition.  If that is the case you are all making a very big mistake.
JMO
-- I have put the past behind me,
where , however, it now sits, making rude remarks.
Originally Posted By: bkelly1 This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
bkelly1 wrote:
jbushart wrote:
This might explain:
Once upon a time, there was a group of Florida building inspectors who made a living doing code inspections of commercial properties. Some of them were engineers while others held other credentials, but they were all building inspectors.
One day, they decided that they would form an association and they named their association after themselves. It was called the Florida Association of Building Inspectors.
As time went on, these building inspectors noticed that another market and profession had developed for private residential buildings, called home inspections. Home inspectors were making quite a bit of money and the building inspectors looked upon this new market with envy.
"I'd like to have that kind of steady work too" they said to each other "but at our higher commercial prices." So they set out to do exactly that.
First, they opened the doors to their association to some of the home inspectors who were able to pass an entrance exam that they created. The small group of home inspectors who joined the association formed by the building inspectors considered themselves to be credentialed as well, striclty by association. Then, with this small number of home inspectors on board, they pretended to be a home inspector association instead of a building inspector association.
Now, since many of them were technical in their backgrounds, they needed to invent the concept that ALL of their "fellow home inspectors" needed to have the same background so that they could all tap into this new market at the commercially higher rate. They spread out to various message boards, preaching the need to become proficient at knowing the various national and international building codes in order to accomplish a basic home inspection. They tallied the number of years that their average member had been in business and preached that, in order to do a basic home inspection, an inspector must match that level of experience. Aside from their own members and a handful of followers, not too many other people bought into their plan.
"I have an idea," said one. "Let's pretend that this is all in the interest of the consumer's welfare instead of our own greed." He discussed it with the others and soon they were all on board. "In the interest of the consumer, these measures need to be made the standard and to do so, they need to become law." And thus, it became a chartered standard that all members of this association were required to support the need for a law.
Meanwhile, consumers continued to choose the home inspectors who charged reasonable fees instead of the building inspectors. This infuriated some of them.
"What shall we do? The government refuses to believe that the consumer needs to have our standards set as the minimum acceptable?"
Soon, they decided to select another home inspector association called ASHI and began to incorporate those standards into their own association.
"Now, no one will be able to tell the difference. Maybe now we will look more like home inspectors and be able to fool the legislators into thinking that our ideas represent those of home inspectors in Florida."
And so they continued into the next legislative section...their thirteenth try in as many years.
To be continued...
Is this proven fact, or one persons interpretation? Many here complain of NACHI bashing and their unproven arguments. Are these arguments proven? QUESTION ASKED
Originally Posted By: jburkeson This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
jbushart wrote:
What if FABI's coffers were running low along with its membership numbers. In light of the fact that last year's lobbying efforts cost $60,000 and another session is about to begin, they would need to increase both.
Clown,
Each and every FABI member in attendance received a complete accounting statement, believe me we are flush. BTW when did anyone here ever receive any accounting information about the 2+ million dollars that NACHI receives in dues?
Not to tell stories out of school, but a FABI board member upon seeing this year's account statement proposed that FABI Board members be allowed to attend the 4-quarterly seminars without cost and receive free rooms for the time they gave to the organization, a reasonable request. It was discussed and voted down citing the fact that an association will attract a better group of dedicated Directors who are faced with the same financial responsibilities as any other member.
If someone is truly concerned how their dues are spent then FABI is the place to be.
-- Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)
?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Originally Posted By: jbushart This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
gromicko wrote:
"FABI LOWERS the bar" .
Is this a new dance...The FABI Limbo? Maybe Mr. Bowman can put on his thong and show us the moves on his way to the dunking booth...(nothing wrong with a little "thong" and dance, eh?) 
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
If someone can confirm that this is what FABI has done, I think they should email a press release to every REALTOR in Florida titled “FABI Lowers bar.” But are we are absolutley sure that they have in fact “Lowered the bar.” I’m sure Joe Burkeson is mistaken.
Originally Posted By: jbushart This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
jburkeson wrote:
The Board of Directors of the Florida Association of Building Inspectors (FABI) unanimously voted to raise the requirements to become a Registered Professional Inspector (Full Member) from 150 paid inspections to 250 paid inspections effective January 1st, 2006. Any candidates joining before December 31st, 2005 will be grandfathered under the current standard and will have 2-years to complete the requirements, after this time all new candidates will have to conform to the new standards and the time limit will be extended to 3 years.
Although he has not stated so, specifically, he has given every indication in his subsequent posts that he was present and received this information first-hand.
Originally Posted By: jburkeson This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
gromicko wrote:
If someone can confirm that this is what FABI has done, I'd put out an email press release to every REALTOR in Florida titled "FABI Lowers bar." But I don't want to do this unless we are absolutley sure that they have in fact "Lowered the bar." I'm sure Joe Burkeson is mistaken.
Can someone from FABI confirm please?
Nick,
I am a full FABI member and I personally sat in on Friday's Board meeting when the decision was made, it was announced publicly in today's general membership meeting, sadly I was the only NACHI member in attendance.
You can ask your self-proclaimed good friend and proud FABI Member Mike Rowan (who by the way is running for an open FABI Board position), I 'm sure he will be able to confirm and will so appreciate your trashing the association he has devoted so much time and energy to. 
-- Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)
?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
like you say.
I trust you both.
With Scott Patterson having come on NACHI's message board to confirm that ASHI now counts come-only-with-cash Diploma Mill Candidates as ASHI Members... and... you now announcing that FABI has lowered their bar as well... you gotta wonder... what has our industry come to?
Our industry is in fine shape. While a few organizations may find themselves in a state of decline, this is not indicative of much more than their own failure to meet the demands and needs of those they claim to serve.
Originally Posted By: bkelly1 This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
bkelly1 wrote:
bkelly1 wrote:
jbushart wrote:
This might explain:
Once upon a time, there was a group of Florida building inspectors who made a living doing code inspections of commercial properties. Some of them were engineers while others held other credentials, but they were all building inspectors.
One day, they decided that they would form an association and they named their association after themselves. It was called the Florida Association of Building Inspectors.
As time went on, these building inspectors noticed that another market and profession had developed for private residential buildings, called home inspections. Home inspectors were making quite a bit of money and the building inspectors looked upon this new market with envy.
"I'd like to have that kind of steady work too" they said to each other "but at our higher commercial prices." So they set out to do exactly that.
First, they opened the doors to their association to some of the home inspectors who were able to pass an entrance exam that they created. The small group of home inspectors who joined the association formed by the building inspectors considered themselves to be credentialed as well, striclty by association. Then, with this small number of home inspectors on board, they pretended to be a home inspector association instead of a building inspector association.
Now, since many of them were technical in their backgrounds, they needed to invent the concept that ALL of their "fellow home inspectors" needed to have the same background so that they could all tap into this new market at the commercially higher rate. They spread out to various message boards, preaching the need to become proficient at knowing the various national and international building codes in order to accomplish a basic home inspection. They tallied the number of years that their average member had been in business and preached that, in order to do a basic home inspection, an inspector must match that level of experience. Aside from their own members and a handful of followers, not too many other people bought into their plan.
"I have an idea," said one. "Let's pretend that this is all in the interest of the consumer's welfare instead of our own greed." He discussed it with the others and soon they were all on board. "In the interest of the consumer, these measures need to be made the standard and to do so, they need to become law." And thus, it became a chartered standard that all members of this association were required to support the need for a law.
Meanwhile, consumers continued to choose the home inspectors who charged reasonable fees instead of the building inspectors. This infuriated some of them.
"What shall we do? The government refuses to believe that the consumer needs to have our standards set as the minimum acceptable?"
Soon, they decided to select another home inspector association called ASHI and began to incorporate those standards into their own association.
"Now, no one will be able to tell the difference. Maybe now we will look more like home inspectors and be able to fool the legislators into thinking that our ideas represent those of home inspectors in Florida."
And so they continued into the next legislative section...their thirteenth try in as many years.
To be continued...
Is this proven fact, or one persons interpretation? Many here complain of NACHI bashing and their unproven arguments. Are these arguments proven? QUESTION ASKED
Originally Posted By: jburkeson This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
gromicko wrote:
YOU announced what FABI did on NACHI's message board, not me. I'm just trying to confirm that it is true.
Nick,
You have known me for about three years on both a personal and professional level, we have broken bread together, in that time have I ever misrepresented myself to you?
The goal was to provide information to those Florida home inspectors who have personally shared with me a desire to join the state Home Inspection Association, since posting I have received numerous emails of thanks.
I remember the time when you were able to see the larger picture and promoted the ideals and values of other associations seeking to place key members of those organizations within NACHI. Hopefully that will bear fruit with Mr. Rowan, he is both recognized and respected for the contributions he has made to our profession and without his direct intervention within my life, I would not now be a full member of ASHI. My sincere thanks go out to you, Mike and all of the people who have contributed to my success.
-- Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)
?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I know Joe, I’m just having fun with you.
I wrote up a little article comparing this all to testing a "representative sample" of outlets in a town house, then testing that same number of outlets on a 9,000 square foot estate.
Obviously if FABI increases the population from which a sample is drawn, the certainty of the conclusions made from that sample DECREASES.
FABI needs an epidemiologist on it's Board of Directors.
I won't run the article as it could be construed as making fun of FABI.