FABI Raises the Bar

Originally Posted By: jburkeson
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The Board of Directors of the Florida Association of Building Inspectors (FABI) unanimously voted to raise the requirements to become a Registered Professional Inspector (Full Member) from 150 paid inspections to 250 paid inspections effective January 1st, 2006. Any candidates joining before December 31st, 2005 will be grandfathered under the current standard and will have 2-years to complete the requirements, after this time all new candidates will have to conform to the new standards and the time limit will be extended to 3 years.


Two deciding factors prompted the move; the first was FABI wishes to be on parity with the other major national home inspector associations who have adopted this minimum standard, second the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation has hinted that this standard will be the minimum standard necessary to become a licensed home inspector in Florida. More news as it comes in.


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Originally Posted By: rbennett
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minimum standard necessary to become a licensed home inspector in Florida


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rlb


Originally Posted By: bkelly2
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Why 250 and not 150? Has a study been done that supports the 100 added inspections? Are the paid Inspections to be performed with or without some sort of supervision?


Interesting


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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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. Home inspectors were making quite a bit of money and the building inspectors looked upon this new market with envy.


"I'd like to have that kind of steady work too" they said to each other "but at our higher commercial prices." So they set out to do exactly that.

First, they opened the doors to their association to some of the home inspectors who were able to pass an entrance exam that they created. The small group of home inspectors who joined the association formed by the building inspectors considered themselves to be credentialed as well, striclty by association. Then, with this small number of home inspectors on board, they pretended to be a home inspector association instead of a building inspector association.

Now, since many of them were technical in their backgrounds, they needed to invent the concept that ALL of their "fellow home inspectors" needed to have the same background so that they could all tap into this new market at the commercially higher rate. They spread out to various message boards, preaching the need to become proficient at knowing the various national and international building codes in order to accomplish a basic home inspection. They tallied the number of years that their average member had been in business and preached that, in order to do a basic home inspection, an inspector must match that level of experience. Aside from their own members and a handful of followers, not too many other people bought into their plan.

"I have an idea," said one. "Let's pretend that this is all in the interest of the consumer's welfare instead of our own greed." He discussed it with the others and soon they were all on board. "In the interest of the consumer, these measures need to be made the standard and to do so, they need to become law." And thus, it became a chartered standard that all members of this association were required to support the need for a law.

Meanwhile, consumers continued to choose the home inspectors who charged reasonable fees instead of the building inspectors. This infuriated some of them.

"What shall we do? The government refuses to believe that the consumer needs to have our standards set as the minimum acceptable?"

Soon, they decided to select another home inspector association called ASHI and began to incorporate those standards into their own association.

"Now, no one will be able to tell the difference. Maybe now we will look more like home inspectors and be able to fool the legislators into thinking that our ideas represent those of home inspectors in Florida."

And so they continued into the next legislative section...their thirteenth try in as many years.

To be continued...


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Originally Posted By: bkelly2
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“I used to be disgusted, Now I try to Be amused”-Elvis Costello

Originally Posted By: jburkeson
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rbennett wrote:
minimum standard necessary to become a licensed home inspector in Florida

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rlb


Richard,

I am sure your legislative committee has been apprised of the situation and have developed an action plan. Not to worry, many of Mr. Bushart's recent email comments have been shared with key Florida decision makers, don't panic, stay the course. Go Bucs!


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Originally Posted By: dedwards
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Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the Governor specifically asked for legislation with an alternative to “licensing”. This may have been an honest slip but that is how people get confused and panties get in a wad as a result.


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dedwards wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the Governor specifically asked for legislation with an alternative to "licensing". This may have been an honest slip but that is how people get confused and panties get in a wad as a result.


Doug,

Do I need to explain that "stuff" happens. We have no knowledge of the politics involved at the Department level. Jeb is a lame duck, the DBPR will be around long after Jeb is a memory. They have the power to do whatever they feel is right and "licensing" is what they do best. The DBPR could send back a real Licensing bill, the House & Senate has shown their willingness to support Home Inspector regulation, doubtful that the Governor would veto their efforts again.


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?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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dedwards wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the Governor specifically asked for legislation with an alternative to "licensing". This may have been an honest slip but that is how people get confused and panties get in a wad as a result.


Ha. What credentials does Jeb Bush have? Who is he to tell Jeff Hooper (the man who put the "sh" in the word "credenshal") and his club, FABI, what the laws of Florida will be? ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)


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"We're NACHI. Get over it."

www.monachi.org

Originally Posted By: rbennett
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I am having a hard time with #'s = professional. Looks like one national org is telling a small state org what they better do.


It is taking less time and $$ to fly an airplane.

Looks like FABI could have a problem. Going against the Gov and pushing for license is called going out on a limb. Now maybe we can have a rewrite of the bill and more meetings.

How many more years is it going to take?

I can just feel the love - too bad - I loved the hate

rlb


Originally Posted By: bkelly2
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rbennett wrote:


I can just feel the love - too bad - I loved the hate

rlb


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Originally Posted By: tallen
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icon_cool.gif nevermind



I have put the past behind me,


where , however, it now sits, making rude remarks.


www.whiteglovehomeinspections.net

30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: jburkeson
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tallen wrote:
Joe B.

I have to wonder if you would have been happy about this if you were still at 75 inspections, and started in 2005?


If I were in that position I would make sure that I joined prior to December 31st, 2005 and then would need only another 75 paid inspections to go and would have 2 years in which to complete the task.

This information should not be a surprise to anyone who has paid attention, but I'll guarantee that on the day licensing becomes effective there will be many home inspectors who will be hearing about it for the first time. I was a boy scout for about 5-years and came away with a profound understanding on being prepared, that is maybe why I have a hard time catering to the lowest common dominator.


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Originally Posted By: tallen
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jburkeson wrote:
tallen wrote:
Joe B.

I have to wonder if you would have been happy about this if you were still at 75 inspections, and started in 2005?


If I were in that position I would make sure that I joined prior to December 31st, 2005 and then would need only another 75 paid inspections to go and would have 2 years in which to complete the task.

This information should not be a surprise to anyone who has paid attention, but I'll guarantee that on the day licensing becomes effective there will be many home inspectors who will be hearing about it for the first time. I was a boy scout for about 5-years and came away with a profound understanding on being prepared, that is maybe why I have a hard time catering to the lowest common dominator.


No one in AZ was grandfathered, but there was no requirement for the # of fee paid inspections.

All Inspectors, new and old had to pass the NHIE, and strangely enough alot of old hands had to take it twice or they just closed shop.

It is a basic test, but it is not all that easy.

How does one get 250 fee paid inspections, after Jan1 2006?. If you are not allowed to preform inspections?

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Any candidates joining before December 31st, 2005 will be grandfathered under the current standard and will have 2-years to complete the requirements, after this time all new candidates will have to conform to the new standards and the time limit will be extended to 3 years.



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Originally Posted By: jburkeson
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tallen wrote:
How does one get 250 fee paid inspections. If you are not allowed to preform inspections?


I imagine it would be similar to the process whereby I became a licensed electrical contractor in New Jersey... By working for another licensed electrical contractor, but don't ask me as I am not empowered to make such decisions. Like you I live within the guidelines of the laws established by our elected officials, but if the numbers are correct it would seem that Florida is not suffering a shortage of skilled inspectors.

NACHI = 1000
ASHI - 350?
FABI = 350+
NAHI=?
Independent = 500

It would appear that there are about 2000 to 3000 home inspector in the state of Florida, what do you think?


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?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Originally Posted By: tallen
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jburkeson wrote:
tallen wrote:
How does one get 250 fee paid inspections. If you are not allowed to preform inspections?


I imagine it would be similar to the process whereby I became a licensed electrical contractor in New Jersey... By working for another licensed electrical contractor, but don't ask me as I am not empowered to make such decisions. Like you I live within the guidelines of the laws established by our elected officials, but if the numbers are correct it would seam that Florida is not suffering a shortage of skilled inspectors.

NACHI = 1000
ASHI - 350?
FABI = 350+
NAHI=?
Independent = 500

It would appear that there are about 2000 to 3000 home inspector in the state of Florida, what do you think?



I think that if the law passes you will slowly but surely run out of HI's.
As ride alongs and such are not "fee paid" inspections.


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Originally Posted By: rbennett
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Oh yes - questions


IMO FABI is just trying to start something without thinking.

With their membership requirements to be 250 having something to do with FL license is like saying that one must catch so many fish to obtain a fishing license.

Lets keep expressing our thoughts to the leg . Perhaps it is time to get realtors involved. They seem to want professional HI's

rlb


Originally Posted By: gbell
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Come on now Joe don’t let to much out of the bag just yet.


It would be much better of you just wait until it is announced by DBPR.


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Originally Posted By: tallen
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gbell wrote:
Come on now Joe don't let to much out of the bag just yet.

It would be much better of you just wait until it is announced by DBPR.




Hmmmm, Greg.

This does not sound like you?

Then again, why am I posting in a Florida thread? ![icon_confused.gif](upload://qv5zppiN69qCk2Y6JzaFYhrff8S.gif)

Ooops

Sorry for my intrusion.




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Originally Posted By: jburkeson
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rbennett wrote:
Oh yes - questions

IMO FABI is just trying to start something without thinking.

With their membership requirements to be 250 having something to do with FL license is like saying that one must catch so many fish to obtain a fishing license.

Lets keep expressing our thoughts to the leg . Perhaps it is time to get realtors involved. They seem to want professional HI's

rlb


Richard,

Let me be perfectly clear, the move to 250 inspections was a Board of Directors decision which will allow FABI members to achieve parity with the national standards which most home inspections associations adhere to, and to be proactive "if" the state ever decided to adopt the same standard for licensing.

In a state where licensing has been legislated it would be meaningless for an association to set the requirements for full membership below that which would be necessary to become licensed don't you think?


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?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn