Dan, you asked for it… you got it: http://www.nachi.org/capita2007.htm
Note that your state (licenesed, but oddly without CE requirements) is one of NACHI’s strongest states per capita: http://www.nachi.org/capita2007.htm
The chart is a month old and so short a few hundred inspectors but you can go to http://www.nachi.org/memberlist.htm and count them all by hand if you like.
Nick
Good Job
Keep Up The Good Follow-through
According to your site, Dan, you now are inspecting a 2,000 sq ft home for a paltry $275. How long has it been since you stopped doing them for $125?
No response from dharris…
His silence speaks much louder than his words.
Silence… The last time I made a post and refered to MO inspectors less than 1 min latter some one gave me a red box…:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
The answer to your question… 6 years ago when I started the fees for a 2000 sq Ft home were 150- 175…
Unfortantly my E&O was 800 then opposed to 3200 now.
I like everyone else would like to see the fees higher…
Considering that most of the homes here are less than 25 years old and I can do the inspection and report in 2-2.5 hrs it’s most likely a comparable rate for older homes with basements etc…to other parts of the country.
Is it due to added competion due to licensing, or is it added competion due to an org that charges 289.00 for additional worthless certificiation???
Looking at most of Nickeys local newly certified inspectors that claim they are superior over other inspectors due to them taking nicks online entry quiz every year and non verified CE… I’m inclined to think the latter, not to mention some of the elete/ superior over me and others are still offering to do the same inspection for 225.00.
In 2001, for homes valued in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, you were charging $150 to inspect them.
Now, six years later, you are only charging $275 to inspect them.
And you credit licensing for that astronomical jump?:shock:
I would have to agree with your Phoenix television report that credits licensing with keeping your fees “lower than the national average”.
And you credit licensing for that astronomical jump?
No… Never stated that was an astrononical jump.
Wanta discuss astronomical jumps… Six years ago nachi had less than 1,000 members… apx 10 in AZ now according to nicks inflated numbers nachi has has over 120 in AZ and 8600 additional members other places that are marketed as "certified " to the public that no body has a clue , [except in states that require licensing ]if they met any stated qualificiations.
And you wanta blame licensing for low prices and think others in this profession and the states are wrong to attempt to control a profession that is being over run by a scam artist, by selling online certificiations, when that person has the stated policy that it’s non of the publics business what the qualificiations of a HI are, not to mention the same person was convicted and has an outstanding fine of wrong doings to the public in Pa.
What has this to do with the fact that licensing has failed in Arizona?
You and your fellow licensed inspectors are setting up sting operations with your local media to send the message to your Arizona consumer that licensed inspectors in Arizona are not all qualified to perform home inspections.
Meanwhile, that same media reports that the benefit of licensing to the consumer of home inspections in Arizona is the “lower than the national average” inspection fees.
Your response has nothing at all to do with that. How come? **Licensing has NOT ensured a quality inspector in your state…according to your own licensing board. It has NOT enhanced the profession and raised fees, according to your own television media. **
You state that your present $275 inspection fee (which many would consider extremely low for a 2000 sq ft home) is actually $150 more than you were charging six years ago…when the average inspection was still over $300 per home.
You want to blame Nick and NACHI for this? Come on, man. Even you can do better than that.
You want to blame Nick and NACHI for this? Come on, man. Even you can do better than that.
Just disclosing the facts… if you consider that is blaming Nick and nachi ,oh well
Where did you find this statement from the state??? :roll: :roll:
Licensing has NOT ensured a quality inspector in your state…according to your own licensing board.
To the best of my knowledge the state only enforces our state requirements and does not have any idea if an inspector is a quality inspector unless a connsumer files a complaint.
Back to fees… I never stated that I was happy with that fee, I can honestly say I did 45 plus inspections every month for the past 3 plus years opposed to sitting around and waiting for the phone to ring and hang out on a web site 24 hrs a day telling everybody how they should run their business…:twisted: :twisted:
I randomly picked a nachi certified inspector a good guy 
] from Fla. a non licensed state, with comparable homes to AZ. The stated fees on his website were 220.00 :roll: :roll: for 2,000’… homes up to 3500 270.00 :roll: :roll:
According to nicks braging he certified 1450 Fla inspectors, Blaming licensing alone for low fees doesn’t cut it .:roll: :roll:
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Licensing, alone, is not the blame for low fees…but it does nothing to raise them, as the proponents seem to believe. Neither does it ensure a qualified home inspector, as your licensed inspectors are telling us through your local media. Licensing solves nothing.
Florida has one home inspector for every house on the market, already. It’s scary to think what would happen if a licensing bill passed. As you pointed out, the fees are already too low…licensing could take them down even more when the home inspection schools started filling up and cranking out even more inspectors looking for “$49 walk-throughs” or whatever the heck that is.
Fortunately, Florida has had 15 years of successful results in thwarting the attempts of those who would like to put them in the same boat as Arizona inspectors. I think that run will continue through the next legislative session as well.
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Licensing, alone, is not the blame for low fees…but it does nothing to raise them, Neither does it ensure a qualified home inspector.
Gaud damm bushy we partially agree on something…
The funny thing is I have yet to see any other AZ inspectors agree with your unsubstaniated BS against licensing…
I don’t recall reading anywhere licensing ensures a quality inspector. I can say at least the inspectors here and other states that have licensing the inspectors had to provide proof that they at least completed minimum HI training, along with other verified requirements and proved that minimum knowledge to the state, opposed to being certified by simply taking an on line quiz and paying 289.00 for certification to an individual, with a proven by public records questionable back ground providing HI related services to the public.
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Ah…and there’s the rub. Thanks for pointing it out.
Once meeting these “minimum” requirements established by state politicians to be licensed, these licensed inspectors are considered to be equally competent and qualified with all other licensed inspectors. This is the gripe that your boys are making in their televised sting operations.
The consumer, in choosing between three licensed inspectors who have the state’s certification of meeting the requirements to inspect a house, will look at what next? Of course, in your solitary active brain cell, the consumer will choose the ASHI member 
but when you are off the message board, you know that isn’t true. It’s the equally qualified, licensed inspector with the lowest fee. If this were not the case, you would be charging a hell of a lot more than you are, danny boy.
Like you I am not a fan of licensing, with current times of internet marketing and instant on line certifications I’ll take enforcement of the minimum by the state any day over competing with inspectors that never had a day of HI training, printed their own business cards, purchased a flashlight and paid 289.00 for a non verified bogus certification.
At least with enforcement by the state the public gets the minimum inspection and the individual inspector has the opportunity to exceed that minimum, thus more work , referrals, and higher fees in the long run.
My active solitary brain cell has a silent partner that recognizes that customers will often chose an ASHI member over other inspectors due to the advanced quality CE provided by ASHI and inter org referrals.
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Truer words were never spoken. I wonder if the public, in licensed states, realize that.
I think we would have a consumer uprising that could repeal a few of this insane laws on the books and keep some bills from becoming law, if they did know that - no matter what they paid - licensing provides them nothing but the minimum inspection.
Hey, with that outstanding ASHI marketing edge, why the low inspection fees?
Are suggesting that there should be a public uprising and repeal of minuium building codes and state workmanship standards???:roll: :roll: :roll:
No, sir. Read my post again. I mentioned nothing in regard to building codes and state workmanship standards.
The “minimum inspection” guaranteed by a licensed state is much like the guarantee of care a hospital must give to all who enter, in order to qualify for Medicare and Medicaid…another set of state controlled programs.
You see, the state will guarantee “minimum care” to anyone coming into an emergency room…that is, their life threatening condition will be “stabilized” and they will be sent back out the door. Minimum acceptable state standard for health care. The state’s “SOP”, if you will. Now, to those able to pay…insurance or otherwise…there are such things as cures, treatments, and other life sustaining measures to enhance the quality of their lives. These are what the “market place” demands and what most are looking for when they go to a hospital.
If people knew that the “minimum inspection” was what their laws were guaranteeing…they may actually get involved and fight such stupidity, instead of sitting back and let a few home inspectors and real estate agents decide what is best for them.
Unfortunately, it is often the case where the new inspector is low balling his prices to get the numbers of inspections up and/or to stay alive that forces the experienced inspectors to lower their prices. In which case both end up on the ****** end of the stick. Much like the chicken or the egg conundrum. I believe what many of us who are opposed to licensing have issue with, is the argument put out by many (not all) that licensing will raise this mysterious, and magical bar when in fact it does not. Too many think it will make the competition go away from fear of having to take this dreaded 6 grade level test. Truth is that in most cases the “bar” actually gets lowered to the lowest common denominator, CEUs become rote exercises where people end up going thru the motions of attending classes with little or no real value to them or their customers. But, hey, they got their ticket punched. Meanwhile, good experienced inspectors who have done the time, sought out viable training, spent the bucks to keep current and proactive end up looking just like the 90 hour wonder who graduated last week but has a truck full of new and exotic gadgets that do little to enhance the quality of their inspection. Those are the same guys you see on ALL the bulletin boards asking someone how to write their reports, with pictures of a water heater and wanting to know what it is. One of things that attracted most of us to Home Inspections in the first place was the dream of working for ourselves without interference from bosses, setting our own schedules, spending more time with family and yes, perhaps a few dollars in our pockets. To then turn around and want government oversight over every element of our business is insane. Look around! They haven’t done such a good job with any other project they took on. The country is going to hell in hand basket because of too much government interference. I worked for the government for 26 years, believe me, you do not want them to run your business. They could manage to screw up an anvil.
Inspectors have tried to use legislation as a marketing tool…“selling” themselves as “professional”. It didn’t happen.
They tried to use legislation to reduce or eliminate competition…it had the opposite effect.
They tried to use legislation to “raise the bar”…but the “minimum” became the standard. The bar was actually lowered.
They tried to use legislation to increase their fees…and it had the opposite effect.
The consumer got nothing, the inspector got nothing, the state collected fees. Licensing has solved nothing.
Look at poor dan. There he sits in a licensed state with all of his experience, his ASHI membership, his ASHI lead generating activities…all of the ASHI prestige that his money could buy…and he is still only able to collect $275 for a 2000 sq ft home.
Licensing solves nothing.
Bravo!!!
Great post Doug.
First off… Doug you hit the nail right on the head.
Jim,
No doubt in my mind that is the same fate that Florida will suffer if licensing passes here. Licensing has proven time and time again to be the worse way to regulate the home inspection profession.