gfi in island

Originally Posted By: aarvelo
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Are gfi’s required in a kitchen island without a sink?


Originally Posted By: phinsperger
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Unless it has an ubsurdley narrow ilseway, the sink would be more than 3 feet away so I would say not



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Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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The sink has nothing to do with the GFCI requirement. It covers all receptacles serving the countertops in the kitchen. YMMV on what the AHJ calls a countertop.


There was a big discussion over at Bob’s house about a built in desk in the kitchen. Most said it was a countertop.


Originally Posted By: lkage
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Paul, I’ve never heard of a “3 foot rule”. It was my understanding that any outlet within 6 feet of the sink needed a GFCI starting back in 1987 and changed in 1996 to All kitchen counters ? not just those within 6 feet of sink needed GFCI protection.



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Originally Posted By: staylor
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GFCI protected outlets are required on island kitchen countertops. It makes no difference if a sink is on the island or not. For that matter, all kitchen countertop small appliance circuits are required to be GFCI protected- even if more than 3’ from the sink. This has been a requirement in the last 2 or 3 editions of the N.E.C. See sec. 210.(A)(7) in the current edition.




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Originally Posted By: bsumpter
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DATES GFCI REQUIREMENTS WERE ESTABLISHED:


1971 Receptacles within 15 feet of pool walls


1971 All equipment used with storable swimming pools


1973 All outdoor receptacles


1974 Construction Sites


1975 Bathrooms, 120-volt pool lights, and fountain equipment


1978 Garages, spas, and hydromassage tubs


1978 Outdoor receptacles above 6ft.6in. grade access exempted


1984 Replacement of non-grounding receptacles with no grounding conductor allowed


1984 Pool cover motors


1984 Distance of GFCI protection extended to 20 feet from pool walls


1987 Unfinished basements


1987 Kitchen countertop receptacles within 6 feet of sink


1987 Boathouses


1990 Crawlspaces (with exception for sump pumps or other dedicated equip.)


1993 Wet bar countertops within 6 feet of sink


1993 Any receptacle replaced in an area presently requiring GFCI


1996 All kitchen counters ? not just those within 6 feet of sink


1996 All exterior receptacles except dedicated de-icing tape receptacle


1996 Unfinished accessory buildings at or below grade


1999 Exemption for dedicated equipment in crawlspace removed



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Originally Posted By: aarvelo
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Thanks a lot guys


I just wanted to make sure. I had two new construction condos same floor never lived in. One island had it the other didn’t. Thanks for the quick responses.


Originally Posted By: dandersen
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Thanks Brian.


I'm going to clip that and stick it on my clipboard!
I keep telling my clients that the GFCI code changed, and changed and changed again. Now I'll stick it in their face! ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)

One ?: Are we talking new construction in this thread?
If not... Just tell them what is todays code and let them hash it out.
I do call out new main panel upgrades where this stuff is not even close. They should have had a permit, which would require everything to be to code as of that date. Lot's of panels installed under price bids without permits!


Originally Posted By: phinsperger
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lkage wrote:
Paul, I've never heard of a "3 foot rule".



![eusa_think.gif](upload://lNFeGuTetUAtwNVgUSOuUzgrGGK.gif) Must be a Canadian thing.


referance: GFCI Protection of Kitchen Counter Receptacles Rule 26-700(12) effective Jan 2003

1 meter = 3 feet 3 and 3/8 inches


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Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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Also in addition to that, Island counters need to have an outlet. I see many without…not sure when that became a requirement though. Saftey thing so they don’t stretch cords from the island to the wall counter…easy to pull whatevers plugged in off the counter when you walk thru.



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Originally Posted By: bsumpter
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And if I remember correctly, those outlets in the islands cannot be greater than 12" below the counter top.



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Originally Posted By: whandley
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Also can’t be a flush surface mount at the kitchen counter top, must be a tombstone type elevated fixture. That’s why we normally find the island cabinet outlets mounted in the side wall of the cabinet. They also may not be installed under a counter top over hang exceeding 6" and or greater than 12" below the counter top regardless of over hang configuration. icon_idea.gif


Originally Posted By: lkage
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phinsperger wrote:
lkage wrote:
Paul, I've never heard of a "3 foot rule".



![eusa_think.gif](upload://lNFeGuTetUAtwNVgUSOuUzgrGGK.gif) Must be a Canadian thing.


referance: GFCI Protection of Kitchen Counter Receptacles Rule 26-700(12) effective Jan 2003

1 meter = 3 feet 3 and 3/8 inches


Oh...the Ontario Electrical Safety Code...thanks, Paul.


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Originally Posted By: Michael D Thomas
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> Also can’t be a flush surface mount at the kitchen counter top,


> must be a tombstone type elevated fixture.


Here's an example: brass "tombstone" (floor nozzle in copper island top...

[ Image: Tombstone Island Outlet ]


Originally Posted By: roconnor
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Here is a link to another handy table that has the code changes to GFCI requirements over the years … http://www.mikeholt.com/documents/nec/pdf/GFCI_requirement_page2.pdf



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