Thank you David, I was pleased to hear that you and all applicants will be treated fairly. That has always been our “goal”.
On the issue of CAN P9 - it relates to a “management” standard developed in Canada by the Canadian Standards Association. It is also recognized world wide. It is recognized as a guideline to manage certification and accreditation “process”. Following the standards provides a framework to assure that everyone will be treated fairly and that the process can be defended.
This process for the Canadian home inspectors was developed over time with two outstanding and professional management consultants that specialize in this type of process.
First one needs to develop and test the process before one can audit “the process”. Otherwise its like auditing your books before you have input the information and data.
So part of the purpose of the “pilot test” was to have applicants from many areas and various diverse home inspection background go through the process. From that one can develop facts, findings and certainly audit what has transpired from the “pilot project” run.
Even during the process applicants often were encouraged to provide feedback, to assure that they were treated fairly, or freely comment regarding their likes and dislikes of undergoing the process. All this information serves to help assure that the best “process” is put forward.
Lets not forget the National is an incomplete program. No one has yet determined how non members of CAHPI will be disciplined. This matter and others are not even enshrined in the by-laws.
**The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. **
Hi again. Finished the NCP last Wednesday. Basic home inspection, nothing overly special… no tricks anyhow. I actually knew the guy who owned the house… small world. The test was verbal and 20 questions long. It was random and you got to choose which packet of questions you wanted from a pile of 20 or so. NACHI questions were a lot harder, at least I thought. We will know the outcome of our success or failure at the CAHPI convention this Winter. I couldn’t care less about all the politics and no, the ASTTBC does not have the B.C. Provincial governments ear. They pulled out of the NCP and wanted nothing to do with it from the start. Whether it is CAN P9 compliant or not is beyond me. All I know is that if the NCP becomes a requirement in B.C. then I will have already have completed it. If not, then all I’ve lost is $100 and 3 hours of my time. All I want to do is make a living performing home inspections. If the NCP becomes the governing body over the industry, then I at least want to make certain that I do not miss the train. My loyalties will always remain with NACHI, but that doesn’t mean that I have to lose the opportunity to participate in the NCP…does it? Sometimes you have to walk the fence in order to make a living in this industry. No matter the politics… the bottom line is that the bills still have to be paid!
Thats a nice corporate line you use on your website. Where did you find that? I have been using it publicly since at least 1993. I don’t expect to see infringement of what is my company image by others. I used the quote by William Osler to be unique, not to be copied.
I guess NCP deserves you and you deserve them!
Thanks.
**The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. **
Brett I think you missed the whole point It is not the NCP exam that is what is wrong with the system it is having CAHPI control the Home inspection Industry in Canada.
This self appointed secret society is what I am nervous about .
They have not been truthfull or forcoming and have from the get go been ignoring all questions.
Having known many of these people for some time and the way they operate makes me very nervous.
I will not be around but I expect the future will show how bad it will be if CAHPI wins.
This to me is like the Sheik said when the Camel stuck his head in the tent Look out for what comes next.
NACHI is NUMBER ONE IN CANADA. Roy Cooke. RHI
Brett - congratulations on taking the TIPR - Test Inspection with Peer Review. I was glad to hear that you and 100 or so others have been treated fairly and with due respect. Certainly that is part of the expectations of the National Certification process.
The 20 questions are evaluated on two parts - the inspectors knowledge and the inspectors communication skills. They are not meant to be tricky or multiple guess styled questions.
The test inspection of ahouse portion helps the examiner team evaluate the inspectors day-to-day inspection skills. The practical part of knowledge that is required to assure that the inspector is practicing at a high rate of skill level to the standards of practice. This means successful identification of the must find defects, that include those significantly deficient, health, safety and those components or systems near end of service life.
We are currently winding down the pilot project - run of the process. We certainly are glad and very pleased to hear people like you and all the others regardless of association or in some cases some unaligned with any association have been treated openly and fairly. So thank you for confirming your commitment to give the TIPR process a fair chance.
Well the kudos and adulations are warranted out in BC, you have yet to explain the huge disparity within OAHI and what is going on as it dovetails with ethics, objectivity and fairness within OAHI. It seems at least on Examiner is not living up to conduct becoming a member of OAHI, and we have a DPPC which has displayed its annimosities repeatedly showing bias for anything NACHI. Perhaps OAHI should take a page from the book of CAHPI BC?
You have also failed to date to indicate or explain how Nachi members in Ontario will be handled via OAHI as far as Discipline. It sure looks like everybody should be leary of anything to do with the National in Ontario because the body overseeing it in Ontario is corrupt, moraly an financially.
To my knowledge there is no Societies Act. OAHI is a self regulating body enacted by Private Members Bill in Ontario Legislature, with limited powers, and is not a public authority, and membership is voluntary. It is registered as a Non Profit Corporation without Share Capital.
Because it was not enacted as a Public Authority which would require members to be licenced such as engineers, dentists, et ceteras, it has no responsibility other then to itself and its own short comings.
Hello Raymond -I guess you will have to have faith and believe me when we talk about the differences between CAHPI National and OAHI the provincial association and one association within CAHPI National. Certainly you have notable concerns, voiced both here and it sounds like on record. I am not here to debate those issues.
However, from my viewpoint OAHI represents only one part of CAHPI - and definitely not all of CAHPI National. So I would tend to disagree. Unless the NCA and the process becomes under the control of those provincial associations, members are well aware of the governments conditions to assure this remains an open and fair process to one and all. You are certainly entitled to your skepticism, but CAHPI National has a lot to loose if your skepticim indeed becomes fact. Once again in a truly democratic system those that become certificate holders will be entitled to vote and an opportunity to hold office through an election process - to my understanding - yes even as an individual. If NACHI or any other association or individual home inspector cannot realize the opportunity that presents than they certainly misunderstand the future of this National Project. As I stated before the current positions are “pro-temp”.
Once again and respectfully - I am not at liberty to openly discuss any issue regarding allegations or rumours be it/they true or real, against an examiner as you noted through this forum. This is certainly not the venue for a “fair” determination or handling with respect and due process of a complaint. If there are issues with this person and/or OAHI that once again is another part of the process that is out of my jurisdiction that needs to be considered. Even to this point and to the best of my knowledge - no complaint has reached even the CAHPI Ethics Committee regarding such an issue, with the conduct of an or any examiner.
Once again all applicants and I will reiterate - have been and always will be dealt with fairly and openly within the Test Inspection with Peer Review process, no tricks, no deceptions - equal treatment for one and all. If not there is an appeal process. That is a basic requirement for one and all home inspectors - is to keep the politics of association or individual bias out of this.
Certainly and respectfully I look at the bigger picture and have shown my service and allegiance to this national initiative. I fully support the bigger picture that being the National Project versus the issues at the provincial level. Not that I do not assist there, but my best energies are spent more wisely on the national project!
The issue of discipline of a national certificate holder - once again must be deferred to the (NCA) National Certification Authority. So I cannot answer your question respecting individual discipline for a person say in Ontario. In my position I report to the NCA, and the TIPR examiners report to me. The NCA determines those that qualify to become “national certificate holders” based on successful completion of their background review and also by the successful completion of the TIPR examination process. A Chief Examiner along with consultation with “fellow” examiners the success of TIPR’s are determined on set criteria and with specified conditions. Lack of successfull completion of these two requirements equates to one not qualifying to be a national certificate holder. Equally I would not be surprised to see some language with the govenance which will formally empower the NCA to de-certify or discipline a “certificate holder” under certain conditions. I have found that to be the case in many other “professional” associations.
Certainly a complete as possible background review respecting alleged complaints is important, but without formal complaints officially filed, to the appropraite party and without documented proof and without the verification of allegations - one is still innocent until proven guilty.
Thanks, what happen to your role as Ethics Chair of CAHPI? OAHI is a signatory of CAHPI, it appears regardless of whose jurisdiction it falls in there is still the problem of a signatory not governing itself as a self regulating body, which legally has more standing then CAHPI and the National Agency because OAHI has PR 158?
Thanks, just pondering some issue in regards to you above opinions.
Forgive me I am not trying to be smart, and maybe I am missing something but who will be “empowering” the NCA? I can’t see that happening Federally, however I could see it happening Provincially. If that is the case I have no reservations about it being the base model to enact licencing. Because after all licencing will take us out of the the current problems and controversy. The great equalizer.
Sorry I would like to believe you Claude but past record and again present record do not give me much faith things could be or will be any different then they have in the past.
. Example I do believe that a large % of the directors / judges are OAHI past or present committee members .
Example CAHPI has not even told the CAHPI members (as far as I know ) about the offer of a free booth and that the CAHPI members will be treated the same as NACHI members for the NACHI conference.
Example no one from CAHPI has acknowledged the offer I made via phone call and backed up with e-mail of the offer.
Example information has been given to OAHI members that has not been released to non CAHPI members.
Example information that should be given to CAHPI members has not been FORTH comming.
To Me there has been misinformation given and most certinly a complete disregard for those who’s future could be effected .
As you say (" I guess you will have to have faith and believe me ")
Sorry you can be honerable but I have to look at who is on this secret society and some of them are complete scoundrels Having lied ( I really hate that word but I must use it ) to me and others .
I would have to be a complete idiot to think I can trust them to do the proper thing.
I really feel there is some thing wrong and must trust the hair on the back of my neck and it has never been wrong yet in 70 years . If it feels wrong then it must be wrong.
Roy Cooke … RHI…CHI…CMI…CAHPI-ON
Claude talks about (’ I have found that to be the case in many other “professional” associations. ") Sorry OAHI/CAHPI are very far from being an professional association .
It is an insult to me to even read that in the same paragraph as OAHI/CAHPI
So the whole National thingee is self regulating??? I must have missed something, sure sounds like a OAHI role model to me. If I am wrong please enlighten me.
If the entire organization CAHPI/NCA, et al, has not been audited to CAN P9 it appears to be non conforming as per the definition. Is it proper then to promote as something it is not? Just asking.
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2.1 General requirements
2.1.2
States:
*If the PCB is located and operating in Canada, it shall act in harmony with provincial, territorial and federal regulatory authorities and therefore all applicants or accredited clients shall establish or have in place arrangements with the appropriate Canadian Regulatory authorities.
*Seeing as there are no regulatory bodies currently overseeing home inspectors with the exception of ASTT(BC) Public Authority) this power would most likely be placed with Provincial bodies, again by example ASTT (BC) and BCIPI.
