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Originally Posted By: gbell
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I don’t know how many of them are educators.


Would you feel better if we just did away with anyone that is?


A better question would be.

How many of them are riding on the NACHI gravy train?

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Greg Bell
Bell Inspection Service

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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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gbell wrote:
I don't know how many of them are educators.


Then your point is not relevant to this thread.

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Home Inspection Services of Missouri
www.missourihomeinspection.com

"We're NACHI. Get over it."

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Originally Posted By: psabados
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James I asked the question, so it has become relevant to the thread.


Some far reaching questions are being asked and will be brought forth. Since Greg or Joe H is not a member of the MAB, they are clueless to what we have been discussing over the past few weeks. Since we have established protocols of how information from the MAB will be released, I can not make any further comments and will not copy posts from our threads. You and everyone else will just have to wait for the proper release of information.

As for cleaning house, hopefully all of the assistant janitors will be up to the task.

And yes Greg all of our Vendors, no matter what classification they hold, are Riding the Nachi Gravy Train. No ands, ifs or buts about it.

Paul

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NACHI Vice President

NACHI Foundation, President

Convention Coordinator

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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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psabados wrote:
James I asked the question, so it has become relevant to the thread.
Paul


Sorry, Paul. I understood your question to be directed at the author of the thread, while Greg's addressed all non-inspectors in NACHI leadership positions. I must have misunderstood.

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Home Inspection Services of Missouri
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"We're NACHI. Get over it."

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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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psabados wrote:
You and everyone else will just have to wait for the proper release of information.


We had hoped that this would come to us in the form of minutes posted after your meetings. I suppose the discussions you are referring to were left out for some reason.

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Home Inspection Services of Missouri
www.missourihomeinspection.com

"We're NACHI. Get over it."

www.monachi.org
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Originally Posted By: psabados
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Let me say one thing. All though we are extremely hampered by the set on-line message board type of meeting. There is more than one way to get things accomplished. Let’s just say we doing it the old fashion way!


The MAB is alive and working. When its time everyone will be advised.

Paul

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NACHI Vice President

NACHI Foundation, President

Convention Coordinator

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Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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jbushart wrote:


psabados wrote:


You and everyone else will just have to wait for the proper release of information.




We had hoped that this would come to us in the form of minutes posted after your meetings. I suppose the discussions you are referring to were left out for some reason.



It would appear that the MAB has its Own Agenda.

Inclusion of the Membership does not appear to be a Priority.

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Joseph Hagarty

HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
joseph.hagarty@housemaster.com
www.householdinspector.com

Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865

HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.
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Originally Posted By: dbush
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[quote="jbushartI suppose the discussions you are referring to were left out for some reason.[/quote]


The reason they were left out is they were not a part of the meeting. Discussions are being held on various topics prior to the next scheduled meeting; that way we actually have an agenda of items. Pot shots are getting old from all sides.

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Dave Bush
MAB Member

"LIFE'S TOUGH, WEAR A HELMET"

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Originally Posted By: psabados
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Quote:
It would appear that the MAB has its Own Agenda.


REALLY! And your prime concern is what? Are you saying that the MAB can not go to work without YOUR prior approval and knowledge? Get Real Putz

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Inclusion of the Membership does not appear to be a Priority.
Quite to the contrary, you or anyone for the matter has a request from the MAB all you have to do is ask and several ways of doing that have been provided. But of course that won't happen has you appear to have an AGENDA of your own.

Hagarty you haven't answered the question yet.
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What do you consider to be an Active Full-Time Home Inspector?
Are you going to answer the question? Or is it too tough?

How about accountability.

Paul

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NACHI Vice President

NACHI Foundation, President

Convention Coordinator
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Originally Posted By: jruppert
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What ever is said here should be said with some sensitivity to the chapter membership. We should be holding ourselves to professional conduct and standards. Debate is one thing, but personal attacks help no one!

In my humble opinion, no one should ever do or say anything, (especially in a public forum such as this) that could even remotely harm the business prospects of another. We may not agree with someone, but it does not have to be an attack! We all work hard to make it in this world, and bashing is just totally non-productive. So, lets make peace, not war....

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Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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psabados wrote:


Get Real Putz.

Hagarty you haven't answered the question yet.
Quote:
What do you consider to be an Active Full-Time Home Inspector?
Are you going to answer the question? Or is it too tough?

Paul


Question asked and anwered...

jhagarty wrote:
psabados wrote:


Do you need more?



Your original question was for Mr. Merrell. It may be enough information to him.

psabados wrote:

Now back at you, the question was asked

Quote:
What do you consider to be an Active Full-Time Home Inspector?


Paul



I see you have a nice Part-Time Business.


--
Joseph Hagarty

HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
joseph.hagarty@housemaster.com
www.householdinspector.com

Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865

HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.
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Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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psabados wrote:
Quote:
It would appear that the MAB has its Own Agenda.


REALLY! And your prime concern is what? Are you saying that the MAB can not go to work without YOUR prior approval and knowledge? Get Real Putz

Paul


Your initial post indicated that information was being witheld from the posted Meeting Minutes. I was voicing my concern along with Mr. Bushart.

jbushart wrote:
psabados wrote:
You and everyone else will just have to wait for the proper release of information.


We had hoped that this would come to us in the form of minutes posted after your meetings. I suppose the discussions you are referring to were left out for some reason.


Dave Bush clarified the point to clear up any misunderstanding.

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Joseph Hagarty

HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
joseph.hagarty@housemaster.com
www.householdinspector.com

Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865

HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.
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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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dbush wrote:
[quote="jbushartI suppose the discussions you are referring to were left out for some reason.


The reason they were left out is they were not a part of the meeting. Discussions are being held on various topics prior to the next scheduled meeting; that way we actually have an agenda of items. Pot shots are getting old from all sides.[/quote]

There was no pot shot intended, DB. From the post that I quoted, it appeared that the MAB had engaged in discussions with NACHI leadership that had been excluded from the minutes. Thanks for clearing up the fact that these discussions (I presume from your post that they were with the entire MAB and not just a few members) were separate from your meeting.

I hope you do not consider questions in this regard to be "pot shots". As you know, the MAB exists for the primary purpose of advising NACHI leadership on matters relating to the membership and when it feels it necessary to withhold information from the membership, it appears contradictory.

Quite possibly, the MAB has been informed of something by NACHI leadership that it has been asked to keep in confidence, which is understandable and proper - so no one is accusing. Just asking.

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Home Inspection Services of Missouri
www.missourihomeinspection.com

"We're NACHI. Get over it."

www.monachi.org
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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Greg, et al


The question goes further in this particular instance than it may seem. Bill M was given the green light by Nick as an approved educator. When that was done, there were questions as to the nature of how the school was being promoted in NY. A actually spoke to Bill about this, and he revised his site accordingly.

Since that time, Bill has decided to open a second NACHI chapter on Long Island. There is nothing preventing him from doing so, that is clear. The intention of this chapter was a mystery to some of us here in NY, as it was being promoted as an "educational" chapter. There is no such thing.

The chapter announcements started by offering information relative to licensing here in NY, and educational/experience requirements. That may be fine, providing that the most up to date information is provided. Words like "stragegies" for completing 100 inspections before year end were mentioned. The only strategy is whether you have performed actiual inspections, not appraisals, not drive-bys.

There was a question of a State mandated test for licensure for those who do not quelify for grandfathering. Bill anounced some sort of free test, or training, or something. We already have that at www.nachi.org/practice.htm.

There was talk of a 30-hour State approved HI course. True, to a point. It is approved for CE as a part of the real estate continuing education credit system.

The spin has now been to take the 30-hour course, as the 140 course has yet to be defined. Frankly, anyone taking a 30-hour course at this time is almost guaranted to not qualify for licensing, as there is a 100 hour classroom requirement, with 40-hours of hands-on real inspecting offered as a part of the school. Bill suggests taking his 30-hour course, which is fine. I question why, seeing as how the law will go into effect in a little more than 3-months.

The truth is that those entering the profession today, even if they perform 100 inspections by year end, will likely not be exempt from attanding the 140 hour training program.

Additionally, Bill stated in another thread that the State is determining what an inspector may inspect, as certain things can only be inspected by a PE registered in NY. Again, this is a misunderstanding of the intent and verbiage as specified in the law. Further, what an Inspector does as a matter or practice, differs from what a PE does. For instance, we perform limited structural inspections, while PEs routinely perform structural evaluations. Inspectors will be expected to perform inspections to the SOPs of most inspection associations. The DOS people are not stupid, and though they were thrown into this, have done their very best to try and understand our profession. This includes going on live home inspections with NY NACHI members.

Finally, in his excitement to belong to NACHI, Bill has inadvertantly taken this relationship to the max, by registering domains such as www.nachimeeting.com, and www.nachieducation.com, and pointing them either directly or indirectly to the Merrell Institute. The websited in question are... busy with NACHI logos.

I think Bill is probably a nice guy, and a competant instructor. His offerings appear to have been aimes at appraisers and realtors previous to this. Nothing wrong with switching gears; just dont grind-' em while shifting...

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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

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Originally Posted By: bsmith
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Good post Joe - Thanks for shedding a little light on this matter.

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Bill Smith


www.SmithHomeInspection.com


“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.” A. Einstien

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Originally Posted By: kwilliams
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If Bill M wants to gain any credibility at all he should


have someone with a clue do his web site, my 12 year


old granddaughter can ( has ) done better than that.


to have NACHI … anything point to these sites is a sham


anything with NACHI in it should go to our main page

Just my opinion, but not a humble one

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Member - MAB

http://www.nachi.org/convention2006.htm

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Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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Sorry That you didn’t like my web site. I do agree with you. Children are great with computers and graphics. My daughter is in 6th grade and she is a master at computer graphics. I will have her help me next time.


When I graduated high school, we were not even using personal computers. I am sure that was the case with you as well. Remember the slide ruler, I still have mine! I am sure she can help me next time I design a new site. But I will give her the next several days off before school starts for her next week.

Everyone have a Great Day, A Great week and A Great career!

Hope to see you all at the National Conference in 2006!