You got hemmoroids or what the crap. You’re very knowledgeable but sometimes you are one of the rudest butts I see on this site which is why many of us ignore what might be some really intelligent info you have.
Now … In the past 3 years I’ve moved out of a house into a 1 bedroom condo and put most of my books, furniture, etc in storage. Somewhere in the next week, I’m gonna try and find the boxes with books like ITC’s and see what you’re referring to on certain pages.
As far as the class goes, I told this forum as it was in MY area. You seem to have had a different experience / GOOD for you / That wasn’t my area.
Don’t take it personal, unless you get a commission from ITC then feel free to take it totally personal.
Not that I really give a crap what anybody thinks about me here. You don’t pay my bills.
The information I put out is free for all.
It’s not my fault that you moved. You insinuate that ITC training has a limited time before you must “recertify” indicating that it is costly and their just in it for the money. Actually, they have a plan. I described the plan. It’s in the book (if you can find it).
I don’t care if you are Mr. Dan or Sen. Bachmann, if you can’t get your story right, don’t share. You seem to have a hard on for ITC and are giving out continuous misinformation on this board. I won’t tolerate that. Ask John!
I have not asked a single question out of ITC and not gotten a response from the highest of the highest. Some of him were from PhD holders out of Australia who are simply out there watching the thermography world passing by and have nothing to gain by helping me out over here in Redneckville, TN.
Cameron,
Several of the Training providers will be in one place in June and you can have the opportunity to take online prior and have your exam proctored at http://thermalimagingconference.com
One of the sessions at the conference will be spearheaded during the http://jumpstartir.com program. David Gleaton (an IR Addict) will be leading a session on training. David has taken Level I, II and III from ITC, Infraspection and Snell… He will be able to answer your questions and lead you in the right direction.
Check out InterNachi’s member only section for a special deal on JumpStart…it will be well worth your time, trust me.
Dan-I just got off the phone with Flir after two hours of trying to upgrade my T 400 camera to do things it’s not supposed to do.
Your inability to get adequate support generates a large “?” in my perspective.
I guess it’s just about not knowing what to ask and who to ask.
I have had Flir personnel offer to build me a camera to meet my specifications in the past.
Maybe you need to get out of IR kindergarten before someone takes you seriously in a high tech industry, I don’t know. I am by no means the smartest kid on the block, the people at Flir have tried to put things in basic perception of what I can understand.
If you consider the amount of time versus money that these people get paid, they basically gave me a camera for free at this point!
It’s all about selling cameras!: I don’t think so. Flir has upgraded and modified my cameras to fit my application on numerous occasions at a negotiable price. When my camera did not do what I needed it to do, they created and fulfilled options without insisting upon me buying another camera.
There is a mentality (especially here) that people have to do stuff for free.
That’s not the case. These people are in business. And believe it or not, so are we!
Time is money.
If you need an accessory for your camera, you can order one that has been tested and proven, or you can dick around at Walmart and try to save 20 bucks.
There are android and iPhone “do it yourself home inspection apps” available on your phone. You guys would be the first one to damn these products! , but in reality these products let people realize that sometimes you just can’t take a shortcut and replace technology with experience.
I did my Building Science thermographer and Level 1 with FLIR/ITC, Level 2 and Level 3 with Infraspection. By all means, get the best training you can. Get your hands on all the thermography publications that you can and study the science of thermography in your spare time. How much time do you waste in front of the computer reading about Nate and his schemes???
I just saved a contractor $150,000 and charged $900 for 2 hours work because I knew what I was doing. I had to locate a blockage in a snow melt system of a new construction building in Chicago.
Get quality training and you can command quality pay.
Both are excellent have been around for a long time. Both have very knowledgeable and experienced people. Both will teach you more than you can absorb.
One is a subsidiary of a camera manufacturer and the other is owned / operated by a practicing independent thermographer with a ton of practical field experience. ITC is a corporate entity and you may find that you can get combo discounts if you buy an imager and training. The other hosts an annual thermography conference that is well attended by international thermographers, including many of us here. You may be able to get a training / conference combo discount.
I have taken training at both ITC and Infraspection, as have several members here. I found both to be outstanding. ITC’s certification must be renewed periodically, which is not really a big issue if you are actually practicing and adding cert levels, while the Infraspection certification is lifetime.
When I completed ITC, I had a certification which was industry recognized and respected. When I completed Infraspection, I had a certification which was industry recognized and respected and I gained a friend and colleague in the person who heads the company. One whom I feel comfortable calling with questions and who makes it a point to call and check in on me periodically. One who happens to be a leader in the industry and has authored many of the standards that we inspect to. I suspect that everyone in the company knows my name and who I am.
For my level-III certification, I went back to Infraspection because of the quality of my experience with them. I’m a small business owner / thermographer, I like to keep that aspect of my business association with someone who walks a similar path.
I know I’ve said it a few times, but thanks guys for your input, it is much appreciated. And I am soaking it up Linas, reading, watching videos, I really like the threads on here about evaluating IR readings. If there is a bug, I got it. It’s really a fascinating field and I don’t even know much yet.
Infrared Detectors, Second Edition (Books)
Rogalski, Antonio $170.61
Uncooled Thermal Imaging Arrays, Systems, and Applications (SPIE Tutorial Texts in Optical Engineering Vol. TT51) (Books)
Paul W. Kruse $48.00
Infrared Thermography for Thermo-Fluid-Dynamics (Experimental Fluid Mechanics) (Books) Astarita, Tommaso, Carlomagno, Giovanni Maria $129.00
Practical Applications of Infrared Thermal Sensing and Imaging Equipment, Third Edition (SPIE Tutorial Text Vol. TT75) (Tutorial Texts in Optical Engi (Books)
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Modulation Transfer Function in Optical and ElectroOptical Systems (SPIE Tutorial Texts in Optical Engineering Vol. TT52) (Books)
Glenn D. Boreman $48.00
Field Guide to Infrared Systems, Detectors, and FPAs, Second Edition (SPIE Field Guide Vol. FG15) (Books)
Arnold Daniels $39.00
Introduction to Infrared System Design (SPIE Tutorial Texts in Optical Engineering Vol. TT24) (Books)
William L. Wolfe $48.00
Infrared Thermal Imaging: Fundamentals, Research and Applications (Books)
Michael Vollmer, Klaus-Peter Mollmann $138.63
Common Sense Approach to Thermal Imaging (SPIE Press Monograph Vol. PM86) (Books)
Gerald C. Holst $86.98
Fundamentals of Heat and Mass Transfer 6th Edition with IHT/FEHT 3.0 CD with User Guide Set (Books)
Incropera, Frank P. $165.82
Its much more than a bug I can not even begin to describe the disease I have with IR it is the most fascinating field and the least understood by the general public. I did a HI for a electrical engineer yesterday and he did not even grasp the full impact of IR until I finished with him;-)
I admire your sales spiel for FLIR & ITC. Loyalty is admirable
Seems I met you somewhere, but not sure where. Did you attend NACHI’s big Florida SEMINAR (think it was in ORLANDO) about 5-6 yrs ago. I taught 2 or 3 inspection classes and 1 of my inspectors taught one also.
Some people have good luck driving Ford’s / Others don’t.
You’ve had good luck with your Flur. I love my Fluke.
Now to the basics … I don’t care what great luck you’ve had with ITC, that was NOT my experience AND to me thats all that counts.
Didn’t say their training was horrible, said the help / assistance for other than Flir camera’s was minimal at best
Based off of conversations with Jason and Dale and all of the insightful posts by the many members on here I made the leap friday and ordered a Flir T-420. I will be doing Level I with ITC shortly and plan on taking Ifraspection training for Level II and III before years end. Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to offer their opinions on this and all of the other Thermal Imaging threads. It has been informative reading.
Congrads you are headed in the right direction just don’t let up, full steam ahead and you will reap the rewards in the end. Hard work always pays a dividend:D
You had a great experience; I didn’t. Nothing else to say. Actually thats not true.
Several times I had questions and called ITC. Often left messages and got no feedback or everybody that could help was out and leave a message AND someone would get back to me (they either didn’t or it was days later and had got issue resolved elsewhere). I did however have some really great experiences … John Snell was fantastic and emailed or called several times with assistance or to help resolve issues; as well as Tom and Eric Black (vendor of Fluke IR’s that did not even sell me mine and Level III); as well as Jason Kaylor; as well as Jan Jacobs at Flukes help assistance;
So no all experiences were NOT negative and some were MORE positive than others.
