czhang5
(CHENG ZHANG)
September 23, 2023, 1:46am
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Hello, All
Today I am doing a 1994 house inspection.
I open the main service panel and see this “sub feed lugs” with double taps. However, these two small wires directly go down into another small box under the service panel. I do not think these small wire go anywhere because the small box under the panel is end.
What is this? If these two small wire not useful, why not take off, but plus a box under the panel?
jjonas
(Jeffrey Jonas)
September 23, 2023, 1:55am
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Surge arrestor/protector… properly mounted… improperly wired!!
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ddagostino
(Dominic DAgostino, CMI HI3957)
September 23, 2023, 1:58am
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Ryan Uecker:
What did this say?
You mean we have to read stuff?!
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ruecker
(Ryan Uecker)
September 23, 2023, 2:00am
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Well, at least take a good enough picture so the rest of us can read it, lol.
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czhang5
(CHENG ZHANG)
September 23, 2023, 2:02am
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I will go again to take another picture tomorrow.
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ddagostino
(Dominic DAgostino, CMI HI3957)
September 23, 2023, 2:04am
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What for, it’s been ID’d already.
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ruecker
(Ryan Uecker)
September 23, 2023, 2:05am
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As JJ posted above, it is most likely a surge protector.
That said, always capture any text or labels on something you are not sure about. Makes it super easy to find out what it is later.
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czhang5
(CHENG ZHANG)
September 23, 2023, 2:07am
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Anyway, tomorrow my daughter’s class is 8 mins from the property.
OK, if it is a surge protector, it can double taps into the SUB FEED LUGS?
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jjonas
(Jeffrey Jonas)
September 23, 2023, 2:08am
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Go back and read my post!
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czhang5
(CHENG ZHANG)
September 23, 2023, 2:09am
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I saw it, you said it is improperly wired. What is the correct way?
ruecker
(Ryan Uecker)
September 23, 2023, 2:11am
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Nope! Those lugs are likely not designed to have two conductors. Especially two conductors so different in size.
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jjonas
(Jeffrey Jonas)
September 23, 2023, 2:11am
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CHENG ZHANG:
What is the correct way?
First, READ the unit for the Manufacturer! Then Google the Item number for the install manual to see what the Manufacturer requires.
Second, beware of the Catch 22 scenario. Regardless what the Manufacturer states in their manual, double taps ARE NOT allowed!!
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czhang5
(CHENG ZHANG)
September 23, 2023, 2:14am
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Ryan Uecker:
surge protector.
I find out another FL inspector see the exactly same condition as this
I have spoke to several electricians and they have told me that these surge protectors tapped into the main service disconnect isn’t considered a double tap. I’m in Florida and for the 4 point Inspections some carriers take it as is and don’t consider it a hazard. I ran into another one of these at that same inspection today and wanted to get your opinion. Should it still be called out as a double tap or no ? [image] [image] [image] [image]
ruecker
(Ryan Uecker)
September 23, 2023, 2:15am
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Will it work? Most likely.
Is it correct? No.
I call out lots of guard rails that have spacing between the balusters that is too large. Has anyone died? Probably not. Could someone die? Maybe.
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ruecker
(Ryan Uecker)
September 23, 2023, 2:19am
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Jeffrey Jonas:
Is it electrified??..
Depends how far out from “the cities” I am.
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jjonas
(Jeffrey Jonas)
September 23, 2023, 2:20am
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Hell. I think I’m closer to George’s old neighborhood than you are!
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